When terrorists start attacking US again...

[Kamakura kid]

Well, I figure once we pull our troops out of Iraq (which I support), we will need to brace for attack within our Homeland again. Have no doubt, they will come here again. We need to be ready.

Which got me thinking. I remember reading an article many years back about a bunch of terrorists who attacked a cafe somewhere in Israel. Back when they still had the spine to use firearms instead of just IEDs. Problem was, most of the people in the cafe were Israeli military reservists and had their personal issue firearms available. Although most of the terrorists were summarily perforated on the spot, at least one survived to exclaim it was unfair that their victims should be armed.

So...
Lets bring this to the land of the Second Amendment and General Pershing. Some saavy ammunition manufacturer could start selling special anti-terrorist hollowpoint bullets. The hollowpoint could be filled with some sort of pork fat product and then sealed. When some idiot terrorist thinks he/she can kill a bunch of innocent civilians and still be martyed, well, surprise surprise, they get permanently embedded with a pork product. So much for those 41 or 72 or whatever many virgins!

I know that government agencies will not be allowed to use these bullets. After all, they shouldn't sully the honor and personal pride of those nice misunderstood people whom merely like to slaughter innocent civilians.

For the private citizen, however, no such restrictions.

[ChroniC588]

Well, I figure once we pull our troops out of Iraq (which I support), we will need to brace for attack within our Homeland again. Have no doubt, they will come here again. We need to be ready.

Which got me thinking. I remember reading an article many years back about a bunch of terrorists who attacked a cafe somewhere in Israel. Back when they still had the spine to use firearms instead of just IEDs. Problem was, most of the people in the cafe were Israeli military reservists and had their personal issue firearms available. Although most of the terrorists were summarily perforated on the spot, at least one survived to exclaim it was unfair that their victims should be armed.

So...
Lets bring this to the land of the Second Amendment and General Pershing. Some saavy ammunition manufacturer could start selling special anti-terrorist hollowpoint bullets. The hollowpoint could be filled with some sort of pork fat product and then sealed. When some idiot terrorist thinks he/she can kill a bunch of innocent civilians and still be martyed, well, surprise surprise, they get permanently embedded with a pork product. So much for those 41 or 72 or whatever many virgins!

I know that government agencies will not be allowed to use these bullets. After all, they shouldn't sully the honor and personal pride of those nice misunderstood people whom merely like to slaughter innocent civilians.

For the private citizen, however, no such restrictions.

we are already the most privately armed citizenry in the world....roughly 80 guns per 100 people.:eek9:

I agree...the first Virginia college shooters was halted after only a few killings by students who had CCW and confronted the shooter. They argued about this for the V.Tech shooting...had they allowed CCW like the other school it might have ended differently.

Either way...I'm buying me self some guns when I move to Texas! CCW yeah baby!:eek9:

[Kamakura kid]

I agree...the first Virginia college shooters was halted after only a few killings by students who had CCW and confronted the shooter. They argued about this for the V.Tech shooting...had they allowed CCW like the other school it might have ended differently.


Ah, yes. The Appalachian Law School shootings that the media really hated to publicize, so its difficult to find out what really happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

[NasTee]

Well, I figure once we pull our troops out of Iraq (which I support), we will need to brace for attack within our Homeland again. Have no doubt, they will come here again. We need to be ready.

Which got me thinking. I remember reading an article many years back about a bunch of terrorists who attacked a cafe somewhere in Israel. Back when they still had the spine to use firearms instead of just IEDs. Problem was, most of the people in the cafe were Israeli military reservists and had their personal issue firearms available. Although most of the terrorists were summarily perforated on the spot, at least one survived to exclaim it was unfair that their victims should be armed.

So...
Lets bring this to the land of the Second Amendment and General Pershing. Some saavy ammunition manufacturer could start selling special anti-terrorist hollowpoint bullets. The hollowpoint could be filled with some sort of pork fat product and then sealed. When some idiot terrorist thinks he/she can kill a bunch of innocent civilians and still be martyed, well, surprise surprise, they get permanently embedded with a pork product. So much for those 41 or 72 or whatever many virgins!

I know that government agencies will not be allowed to use these bullets. After all, they shouldn't sully the honor and personal pride of those nice misunderstood people whom merely like to slaughter innocent civilians.

For the private citizen, however, no such restrictions.


If we stay in iraq the terrorist will still attacl us. It's not if, its when. Its not the iraqi terrorist that are attacking us anyways.

15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and we all know that Saudi Arabia is known for funding terrorists, we should be going after the real terrorists.

And lets not forget that Bin Laden is still alive and well, possibly in pakistan.

[Kamakura kid]

If we stay in iraq the terrorist will still attacl us. It's not if, its when. Its not the iraqi terrorist that are attacking us anyways.

15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and we all know that Saudi Arabia is known for funding terrorists, we should be going after the real terrorists.

And lets not forget that Bin Laden is still alive and well, possibly in pakistan.

A large number of the terrorists in Iraq are recurited from either Saudi Arabia or Iran. Especially the suicide bombers. Once there are no handy US targets in Iraq, they will start making the effort to come to the US.

I agree, its not a matter of if but when. So far our law enforcement forces have been able to detect and foil all of the proposed attacks, but once the flood starts some attacks will leak through. We must be prepared to accept that reality.

I sure wish the our govt will give us citizens more credit for intelligence and actually publish the number of foiled plots.

Several recent events worry me. That idiot senator who made the public remarks on Syrian TV, this new movie coming out that supposedly (haven't seen it myself) "broadbrushes" our soldiers as rapists and criminals; these will fan the flames.

Yup, Bin Laden is alive and well. We had him all holed up in the Tora Bora (or whatever) mountains. Instead of pursuing him with overwhelming force and violence like we should have, some idiot politico's decided to conduct a cease fire and offer him an opportunity to turn himself in. WTF? Don't these people ever read a history book? :awcrap: I'm still pissed about that.

And don't even get me started on how many opportunites the previous administration had to put Bin Laden away, but didn't.:shakesfist:

But you know, easing a bullet through Bin Laden's brain will be hugely satisfactory but won't solve the Islamic fanatic terrorist problem. As long as a lot of those madrassas school preach an anti-US agenda, as long as inept Middle Eastern governments blame the US for their ills in order to focus their people's attention away from internal failings, and as long as the US is perceived to support Israel, terrorist acts against the US will continue. There is no easy or fast solution. I betcha 50 years from now the US will still be fending off attacks.

On the plus side, at least the major European nations are finally starting to realize that the fanatics are against 'Western" civilization as a whole, not just the US.

What really needs to happen is that the Muslims have to clean house. Its only a fringe element of that religion conducting terrorism. Why the vast majority of Muslims are content to sit back and allow their entire religion to get tarnished is beyond me.:toilet_claw:

[ChroniC588]

some of the terrorists are not even Arab...they have been British, Australian, and American, etc. islam is just a cover...these terrorists are not true Muslims. Just like Timothy McVeigh or David Koresh were not true Christians. They pervert a religion to their own usage.

It is not a person we are fighting, it is an idea...and ideas cant be killed with bombs and guns. The idea is something is wrong with this world and the root of it is the USA.

This is the idea we must combat and prove wrong.:pirate1:

Das why we need Republicans...they know what to do. Democrats dont know nothing.

And the next attack will be many small orchestrated ones. They've discovered its easier to blow up 100 little things that $5-10k a pop than try to launch a nuclear bomb that costs maybe $1 billion. Imagine the terror if 100 schools blew up all on the same day across the country.

[NasTee]

A large number of the terrorists in Iraq are recurited from either Saudi Arabia or Iran. Especially the suicide bombers. Once there are no handy US targets in Iraq, they will start making the effort to come to the US.

I remember seeing 20 body bags of dead "insurgents" of the 20, 14 were claimed by iraqi families, if anything it's iraqi's being recruited by outside sources. I have heard intelligence commanders talking about Iranians comming in Iraq but I also know that Al Qaeda and Iran, does not mix. They both have 2 separate beliefs that dont agree with each other. In either case being in Iraq will just propagate more attacks because like israel; the middle easterns dont want anymore occupations of their land.

Yup, Bin Laden is alive and well. We had him all holed up in the Tora Bora (or whatever) mountains. Instead of pursuing him with overwhelming force and violence like we should have, some idiot politico's decided to conduct a cease fire and offer him an opportunity to turn himself in. WTF? Don't these people ever read a history book? :awcrap: I'm still pissed about that. aint that some shit.

And don't even get me started on how many opportunites the previous administration had to put Bin Laden away, but didn't.:shakesfist: And it seems that this administration wants to carry on that same tradition of letting Bin Laden go. Bin laden is a fugitive and he needs to be tried for his crimes, there is no reason why we shouldnt get that guy.


But you know, easing a bullet through Bin Laden's brain will be hugely satisfactory but won't solve the Islamic fanatic terrorist problem. As long as a lot of those madrassas school preach an anti-US agenda, as long as inept Middle Eastern governments blame the US for their ills in order to focus their people's attention away from internal failings, and as long as the US is perceived to support Israel, terrorist acts against the US will continue. There is no easy or fast solution. I betcha 50 years from now the US will still be fending off attacks. The US does support Israel, the only reason why we are at war with islam is because of Israel. The middle-east war will be raging until the day that Israel either kills every single arab in the middel-east, or the arabs kill them.


On the plus side, at least the major European nations are finally starting to realize that the fanatics are against 'Western" civilization as a whole, not just the US.

What really needs to happen is that the Muslims have to clean house. Its only a fringe element of that religion conducting terrorism. Why the vast majority of Muslims are content to sit back and allow their entire religion to get tarnished is beyond me.:toilet_claw

The extremists are not against the western civilization, they are against the occupation of "palistine." Of the 3 middle-east countries I've been to I can tell you that being western is to middle-eastern; as being west coast californian is to being east coast new yorker. Religion is the only difference.

The saudi's, Jordanian's, Bahrainian's, Qatarian's, etc,etc,etc all have the same things that we do. They have their own version of MTV, they all buy and drive the same cars, they have clubs and their kids do the same dumb shit our kids do. Bahrain has casinos and clubs, prostitutes from all over the world. I remember when I was in Qatar and I went to a mall that rivaled those back here in the US. I saw more girls there walking around with fake tits and plastic surgery lips then I did in Hollywood.

This war has nothing to do with how we live, its what we are doing. And I doubt that there is an easy solution to fix it. If israel was left by itself I bet they'd nuke the entire middle-east.

[ChroniC588]

The US does support Israel, the only reason why we are at war with islam is because of Israel. The middle-east war will be raging until the day that Israel either kills every single arab in the middel-east, or the arabs kill them.


Its an excuse they use...if the Arab world ever really did care they would do alot more for the Palestinians. They treat them worse than dirt in other Arab nations.

All you ever read is handouts sent by Arab leaders...thats it. Maybe if they funded the Palestinian state at the same level as the US, things might be different.

Saudi Arabia has what maybe 800 Billion dollars in foreign investments? What does it send to Palestinians? A couple million...woop de freaking do...such brotherly support.

There wouldn't be a Palestinian problem if Jordian, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, etc...fully funded the Palestinians, provided economic, social assistance...etc...really built them up..and make them a thriving populace.

[Kamakura kid]

Arrgh! Spent a long time composing a reply, just got lost in cyberspace. Anyway, the short version:

If Palestine were the only issue, or even the major issue, then the majority of terrorist attacks would be directed against the Brits, not the US. Palestine is a handy rallying point, the roots of this conflict run much deeper. Several Mid-Eastern nations had their own plans for the land that eventually became Israel. Palestinians were being persecuted by their neighbors long before Israel became a nation. However, blaming the US takes the heat off, and is much easier for all concerned.

. If israel was left by itself I bet they'd nuke the entire middle-east.

You can take that to the bank.

[ChroniC588]

Arrgh! Spent a long time composing a reply, just got lost in cyberspace. Anyway, the short version:

If Palestine were the only issue, or even the major issue, then the majority of terrorist attacks would be directed against the Brits, not the US. Palestine is a handy rallying point, the roots of this conflict run much deeper. Several Mid-Eastern nations had their own plans for the land that eventually became Israel. Palestinians were being persecuted by their neighbors long before Israel became a nation. However, blaming the US takes the heat off, and is much easier for all concerned.



You can take that to the bank.

yup...exactamundo...:eusa_dance:

[NasTee]

Israel is such a hot potatoe, regardless of how anyone feels about the situation, that place is ****ed up! Will there ever be peace?

[ChroniC588]

Israel is such a hot potatoe, regardless of how anyone feels about the situation, that place is ****ed up! Will there ever be peace?

nope but there can be a cease fire...so we can cool it for a while...there will always be war.

[ikeyballz]

you know what..sadly, i dont see any of this shit ever ending soon..

and i got one word for ya.

swordfish.


if you cant fight em fair, fight em dirty.

lol, im jk. thats really mean. >_<

anyone else see that movie tho? it was genius, their plan.. it was murderous, but genius.


basically:

if they attack one US school, they attack 10x the amount of (terrorist funded) schools...
if a country harbors terrorists, and the terorrists blow up a us person..they tactically nuke parts of the country..


the main characters reasoning:

if you could save EVERYONE in the world by killing ONE innocent child, could you do it?

what if it was..instead of everyone, a way of life? and instead of one child, it was a town?





kinda chilly to think abt it.


however, i gotta say, if they harbor terrorists, they're with them, you know?

[NasTee]

I agree with ron paul, we need to mind our own business. How many civil wars/genocides going on and it just so happens that the only places we give a shit about are the ones with oil.

I have no problem with going to war for oil, but its not like the Iraq/afghan war has made our Gas prices any cheaper. fukking waste....