Clan Trophy & other things...

[ArchangelX]

After reading some of the discussion and suggestions here, I think it would be a good idea to give something other than just the points for being the top clan.

Keep in mind, the RPG is new, and I'm clueless about some of the features, including the way the Clan works altogether.

But I believe that there must be some way to create a "trophy" for your postbit, memberinfo, etc...that will identify your clan as being numero uno. Maybe some extra points for being the top clan for the month...I'm not sure what we can do.

But I'd like to give an extra incentive for participating in the clan battles.

Also, I think we should maybe discuss some of the ground rules for clan battles.

Ideas are welcome. Auriiiiite!

[Yoherz]

Clan trophies are nice, but I think we could hold a tournament each month to determine the top clan. The strongest member from each clan would go against each other for the pride of their clan, and it would be a good way for them to get some clan points.
And the winners of the clan could get points, like 5,000 for each member of the top clan, 2,500 for the second place clan, and 1,000 for the third place clan.

[KenTwo]

I'd like to see all clan members fight the other clan. Gives more purpose of having a larger clan, instead of only the top guys fighting, the next two strongest fight, then the next two, so on...

Good ideas.

[Yoherz]

Hm. Good point.
It's more about the clan than the top member. I second KenTwo's idea.

[ArchangelX]

It's like filipino poker, eh? Mix & Match...5 hands vs 5 hands...most hands wins!

[spider_monkey52]

i may not be the strongest or even near to being the strongest in my clan but i will surely fight for them especially for a trophy and/or points

[Akastski_Sutefan]

Cool clan trophies now thats a thing i want now i have to train more just to get into a clan XD or not

[ArchangelX]

Cool to hear...

[idiosyncratic]

i'm a lost member of a lost tribe... heh heh. j/k.
.
i haven't been playing much in the rpg :cry3:...

[ChroniC588]

This sounds good. PvP is more fun than killing 1000 Ibots all day. I'm sick of Ibots right now.

But I hope we can figure how to make it more balanced. All the matches I have been in so far were very unbalanced. The winner was already decided before the first round.

[Yoherz]

Level cap is the only thing since I could get to level 200 without too much trouble if I had the time, and I don't think ChroniC wants to battle that with his level 54. :beatup:

[KenTwo]

i'm a lost member of a lost tribe... heh heh. j/k.
.
i haven't been playing much in the rpg :cry3:...

You could always join the Open Fist.

Although I think our Clans are allies.

[KenTwo]

This sounds good. PvP is more fun than killing 1000 Ibots all day. I'm sick of Ibots right now.

But I hope we can figure how to make it more balanced. All the matches I have been in so far were very unbalanced. The winner was already decided before the first round.

Yea,
I wish there was another way, right now its whoever is the highest level and has the best stuff...

I guess its the limit of the RPG, classes don't really come too much into play since spells, armor, weapon limitation and stuff are kind of moot.

[ChroniC588]

Yea,
I wish there was another way, right now its whoever is the highest level and has the best stuff...

I guess its the limit of the RPG, classes don't really come too much into play since spells, armor, weapon limitation and stuff are kind of moot.

I think were the two closest in level...i would like to test it out in a PVP match. I am curious because the merc class is allowed one extra armor item and has higher physical defense than the holy knight class.

So you have slight edge in defense than holy knight even when we are same lvl and have same equipment.

I am hoping when Mike does the updates for the special attacks...Holy Knight has some wicked attack.

[Yoherz]

Yea,
I wish there was another way, right now its whoever is the highest level and has the best stuff...

I guess its the limit of the RPG, classes don't really come too much into play since spells, armor, weapon limitation and stuff are kind of moot.

Actually, our levels are just too low to really show the difference. It's more of the base stats that make themselves more prevalent the further we get. Just like how a mage has a base of 4 for P. Atk and an Assassin has a base P. Atk. of 10. Later on, it's definitely gonna show when the mage is doing 1,000 while the assassin is doing 3,000 a hit.

[ChroniC588]

Actually, our levels are just too low to really show the difference. It's more of the base stats that make themselves more prevalent the further we get. Just like how a mage has a base of 4 for P. Atk and an Assassin has a base P. Atk. of 10. Later on, it's definitely gonna show when the mage is doing 1,000 while the assassin is doing 3,000 a hit.

Is there a way to make it more noticeable early on? I am doubtful people will be playing this game to get up to lvl 100 before they will start dueling.

Be more fun if more people could jump right into PVP matches early at level 20 or 30...:D

I've haven't had a fair PvP match yet....:(

[Yoherz]

It's really evenly balanced because the stats grow by those bases each level. Since the stats aren't that different early on, it's basically equal for all classes that early on. The only difference is when we get into higher level players with mages and knights and their huge differences.

[Akastski_Sutefan]

Whoa im lost now

[KenTwo]

But will the higher mage spells make a difference? The highest spell I saw was Meteor, how does that compare to the highest sword?

[Yoherz]

Haha. You have to check "All shop items", but yes. If you look at the spell, it should give about the same amount of power, if not more. The only difference is that it takes up MP.

It's kinda like:
Knight P. Atk is to Mage's M. Atk
as
Knight's sword is to Mage's spells.

Get it now?

[KenTwo]

Yep,
I looked through both, but couldn't recall if the highest spell was equal to the highest sword.

[ChroniC588]

kenshin lets have a match...were the 2 closest in lvl :D

[Yoherz]

Don't worry, I'll be there soon enough so I can battle you two. ;)
Though, It probably won't be this weekend since I'm getting a new platinum PS2 and I need to break it in. :D

[KenTwo]

kenshin lets have a match...were the 2 closest in lvl :D

Okay.

[ChroniC588]

okay, but can u cancel the invite first I cant heal my char to 100% hp or buy any heals.

then reinvite when I'm 100% hp...thanks :D

[Yoherz]

Be sure to post the results! I have a theory I wanna check about the RPG clans.

[ChroniC588]

Was very close...I lost by one hit:

Chronic588 pulled out Ice Brand and rushed towards Kenshin, swinging the mighty weapon with ease. However, Kenshin was in better shape than Chronic588 thought, and the damage was severely reduced. Chronic588's attack ends up inflicting 162 points of damage upon Kenshin.

Although we are same lvl...the higher physical defense for Merc wins out.

gg:D

[KenTwo]

GG!

Was really close till the end. I've been focusing on defense, so I spent a little more on my armor and stuff when I could. I think my equipment might just have tilted the scales a little because you were out damaging me early.

In fact, I think that 800+ shot near the end was the highest out off all our swings.

[Yoherz]

Haha! Yes, I was watching the whole time. That was a great match!
Just wait until I get to your levels, and then I'll get some major clan points. ;)

Oh and my idea didn't work out.
I thought that since I was allied with Open Fist (even though it said I'm with GOP), that I would get a clan point too. I was wrong. :cry3:

[ChroniC588]

GG!

Was really close till the end. I've been focusing on defense, so I spent a little more on my armor and stuff when I could. I think my equipment might just have tilted the scales a little because you were out damaging me early.

In fact, I think that 800+ shot near the end was the highest out off all our swings.

its not just that...the Merc natural P.Def is higher than H.Knight P.Def...that I think is the winning factor.

We both have same attack rate, but what is odd is if we are same lvl and u had a weaker weapon u still average more higher dmg hits than me. So I am not sure how that is working.

Lets have a rematch :D

[KenTwo]

You could always join Open Fist and get the point :fingersx:

But in our clan it says 24 more points till the next level. Thats a crap load of battles.

[KenTwo]

Are those stats already adjusted with our equipment?

[ChroniC588]

Are those stats already adjusted with our equipment?

nah...it doesnt change with new items, I tested it.

[KenTwo]

LOL

You went to heal yourself already. I did too, but not fully. I rarely am at full HP. Takes too much time so I'm just waiting until I get heal 3.

[ChroniC588]

LOL

You went to heal yourself already. I did too, but not fully. I rarely am at full HP. Takes too much time so I'm just waiting until I get heal 3.

Full Heal will really change the dynamics of the PvP matches...

btw I think ur battle invites is to do not accept...I cant initiate a battle invite w/ you :D

[KenTwo]

Okay

I filled up, sent the invite.

[ChroniC588]

ha ha...our fights are total chance...all it takes is one of us to miss 1 hit and its over...:D

[KenTwo]

You blasted me early again with almost 800 damage.

[Yoherz]

Full heal is almost useless. It costs 225 (or 255) MP, where Heal3 heals 1,000 HP and costs only 30 MP. I happen to know because I have it. ;)
I'll take on whomever after the match. :D

[ChroniC588]

okay I lost this match again...the p.def is playing a factor.

Chronic588 pulled out Ice Brand and rushed towards Kenshin, swinging the mighty weapon with ease. However, Kenshin was in better shape than Chronic588 thought, and Kenshin dodged the onslaught.
Kenshin mocked Chronic588's inept abilities, and this caused Chronic588's Anger to grow by 10. Chronic588's blood boiled with fury.

[KenTwo]

You just had one... Jinxed yourself.

[KenTwo]

I accepted your offer of truce...

Offense wins games, defense wins championships!

[ChroniC588]

I accepted your offer of truce...

Offense wins games, defense wins championships!

heh heh....when we both have same offense rating....it is the defense that wins the bout.

Lets try this match again at lvl 70...when full heal is involved...I think it'll make a big difference :D

good match.

[Yoherz]

I was rootin' for you the whole time Kenny. :D

[KenTwo]

Yoherz? Want to try?

[KenTwo]

I'd hate fighting against a clan ally, so maybe try Chronic first.

[KenTwo]

Let me know if you guys fight, I'd like to watch.

[Yoherz]

Yeah, I was gonna battle Chronic first, and you guys are posting way too fast for me to keep up and watch the battle. x_x
Lemme just heal first and I'll send the challange.

[KenTwo]

Let's Get Ready To Rumble!

[Yoherz]

And so it begins!

[KenTwo]

Good luck ally!!!

Open Fist if behind you.

[KenTwo]

Ouch! 1448 damage with that hit.

[KenTwo]

Heal 3 brings back 1000hp!

[KenTwo]

Yoherz attacks but its parried for no damage.

[KenTwo]

Another 1000+ hit on Yoherz

[KenTwo]

A swing and a miss again by Yoherz

[KenTwo]

Now in a curious move, they are both using shield against eachother. Let's see how this plays out...

[KenTwo]

Yoherz decides that he's defended enough and attacks with his thief's sword. Unfortunately, it misses again.

[KenTwo]

Chronic comes back with an open handed pimp slap for 497 damage...

[ChroniC588]

:D yeah lvl class is BIG advantage against any class...

I wonder if I am 1 class above merc would it make a dif?:fingersx:

[KenTwo]

Yoherz drinks his magical potion of healing, they combatants, weary with fatigue drops their weapons and embrace in the mutual hug of respect.

A truce is called between the two great warriors. Bravo brave fighters. Bravo!

[Yoherz]

How is that he does less damage on a critical than an attack that was reduced attack?

Chronic588 pulled out Ice Brand and rushed towards Yoherz, swinging the mighty weapon with ease. However, Yoherz was in better shape than Chronic588 thought, and the damage was slightly reduced. Chronic588's attack ends up inflicting 1094 points of damage upon Yoherz.

Chronic588 tried to fight Yoherz using bare fists. In an amazing display of brute force, Chronic588 dealt Yoherz 497 points of damage.

[KenTwo]

:D yeah lvl class is BIG advantage against any class...

I wonder if I am 1 class above merc would it make a dif?:fingersx:

:freak2:

You could be soon. I probably won't have too much time to level up. Got lots of work projects coming up. This past week was slow so I could move up... Still my ally Yoherz will make sure that you don't get too far.

[KenTwo]

I guess since one was with a sword and one was a pimp slap.

[Yoherz]

You guys post too fast! I didn't see any of that during the battle! x_x

[ChroniC588]

:biggrinbounce2:

so now we have some answers to our questions....class does play a difference in PvP...only due to the P. Attack/Defense stats.

The armor doesnt seem to make a difference much...

My question now is what good is Holy Knight higher magic attack if they cant do offensive spells? It's kinda made my class handicap towards mercs....

[Yoherz]

Oh yeah, didn't see the slap. Dude was mocking me....YOU SHALL PAY WHEN I LEVEL ENOUGH!!! :p

[Yoherz]

Holy knights are just that, they have a high m atk for healing spells.

[ChroniC588]

Oh yeah, didn't see the slap. Dude was mocking me....YOU SHALL PAY WHEN I LEVEL ENOUGH!!! :p

again...its kinda unfair considering moogle class is cheat :D

at same lvl there is no chance.

and u got access to lvl 70 elixer at lvl 40...way, unfair :D

[Yoherz]

We're gonna get in so much trouble for so many multiple posts. XD

[KenTwo]

Maybe the Holy Knights attach goes up quicker near the higher levels and out paces the Merc???

Cause I have all your spells, plus some of the attack spells (one of the reasons I chose this class.)

[Yoherz]

Not really. If you were.....three levels above me, it would be even.

[Yoherz]

You post too fast!

Maybe closer to two levels since the stats aren't that far off.

[ChroniC588]

:( I have no attack spells...wow H. Knight class really is handicapped to mercs.

Also I dont think our stats change as we lvl up...its the same rate...so the gap will be worse at higher lvls...heh

can we address this? maybe set our p.def same rate?

[KenTwo]

Sorry just gotta deal with Holy Knight's deficiencies. :eek9:



Okay, have fun...

Gotta get some sleep.:offtobed:

[ChroniC588]

gg...

nite all.

[Yoherz]

Ok, now I can slow down on the posts. Whew.

:( I have no attack spells...wow H. Knight class really is handicapped to mercs.

Also I dont think our stats change as we lvl up...its the same rate...so the gap will be worse at higher lvls...heh

can we address this? maybe set our p.def same rate?

It's really more on Mike's call.

No no. They don't go u by the same rate. All of the bases for my stats are 10, but my stats are so different. I actually have no idea how the stats level.
Ontop of that, the base for all monster stats are one, but a monster five levels above me can still kill me, even with all my stuff.

[KenTwo]

:( I have no attack spells...wow H. Knight class really is handicapped to mercs.

Also I dont think our stats change as we lvl up...its the same rate...so the gap will be worse at higher lvls...heh

can we address this? maybe set our p.def same rate?


you could always reset and choose a different class :awcrap:

[spider_monkey52]

you could always reset and choose a different class :awcrap:
i've done that many times already. i would have at least 100-150 more kills if i didn't do that. i did it once because i got a loss lol

[Yoherz]

He was talking to chronic, I think.

[ArchangelX]

Each class is different...some aren't equal to others...that's just the way it is. You might have to be a few levels higher than another class to take it on one on one.

Also, the Mercs only have level 2 attack spells, which will be worthless by the time you get past their efficiency. Everyone has Heal All, which is actually the most important spell to have in battles.

Plus, I'm still working on the weapons. Mercs will actually be nerfed a bit...as they shouldn't be able to handle swords like Excalibur and Ragnarock. They're only supposed to be able to switch between guns and swords, so they have a wider selection. I just need to adjust the stats a bit.

[ChroniC588]

Each class is different...some aren't equal to others...that's just the way it is. You might have to be a few levels higher than another class to take it on one on one.

Also, the Mercs only have level 2 attack spells, which will be worthless by the time you get past their efficiency. Everyone has Heal All, which is actually the most important spell to have in battles.

Plus, I'm still working on the weapons. Mercs will actually be nerfed a bit...as they shouldn't be able to handle swords like Excalibur and Ragnarock. They're only supposed to be able to switch between guns and swords, so they have a wider selection. I just need to adjust the stats a bit.

i see so H.Knights get bigger weapons at higher lvls...now about the m.atk? if H.Knight has no offensive spells what good is that stat? :D

I hope it has something to do with the PP special attacks later...then that'll be sweet. But right now on a purely physical atk/def H.Knight has no chance against a same lvl Merc. This me and Kenshin have verified in 2 matches...all it takes is one miss by either of us and the match is decided, that's how close it is.