Universal Healthcare = Death to America

[ChroniC588]

Hillary's proposal for universal health coverage is a bad idea. Is she that short-sighted to notice that Medicare, Medicaid and every other govt-based medical program has failed?

Now she wants to make an even bigger one that covers every single American citizen? Is she that dense?

There is one question she fails to answer...and the most important one...how the heck is she going to convince any top-notch doctor to switch from private practice earning a million dollars to becoming a govt civil servant getting paid a pittance of that and also surrender all his freedom and benefit of self-practice?

[HI-5o]

:iagree: To answer your question... You don't have to worry... The Gov will just increase taxes to pay for your votes... :rolleyes: :furious:

Then you will depend upon the Gov, more and more... thus requiring you to keep the Dems in power so they can take and re-distribute the wealth in the country... :fingersx: :hypo:

You know how bad you Reps look when you go out and work hard and get all the luxuries in life... :rolleyes:

Hillary will balance the power... :weirdo: :ohnoes:

Yup let the Dems convert our capitalistic way of life (with all the money going to the rich and hard working people) to a "fair" system based upon socialism and communism, that way we all get a piece of that American pie, that we so deserve... :rolleyes: :insane:


:angryfire: :furious:

Liberal Dem.= Environmentalist=Socialist= :idiot:

[ChroniC588]

:yeah: Yes....although at the same time I dont want the rich to be absolutely rich...and convert this nation into an oligarchy.

Its just that hard to find middle ground balance...where a man can at least work hard and be rewarded for it...that is all I want in this country. Where we reward hard work, no more entitlement or inheritance b.s.

[NasTee]

and they call me crazy for wanting to vote for ron paul, should I be voting for hillary instead?

People are programmed to be ass-backwards sometimes.

[corytomo]

Doctors, nurses, drug makers, and a great deal of people/businesses in the healthcare field will suddenly not be paid as much.
Really bad for them, better for the general population.

Looks like she wants to do what they have in canada... nurses and doctors don't make crap over there.

But then, have you seen the medical spending wastes we have? Maybe it would benefit us in some ways..

[ChroniC588]

Doctors, nurses, drug makers, and a great deal of people/businesses in the healthcare field will suddenly not be paid as much.
Really bad for them, better for the general population.

Looks like she wants to do what they have in canada... nurses and doctors don't make crap over there.

But then, have you seen the medical spending wastes we have? Maybe it would benefit us in some ways..

True everyone gets healthcare, but the quality is still not as good as the US system.

Any system based on socialist principles and not free-market is bound to be of lower average quality.

The medical excess we see is due to too much money being thrown into our system. We didnt have a medical spending nightmare prior to private health insurance, medicare, medicaid. Prior to them everyone paid what they owed and this gave people a financial incentive to stay healthy.

Now people dont care...they will go in for treatment anytime they worry they have symptoms. True sometimes they are right, but majority of the time it was nothing...but every single use of medical treatment in this way costs money. The copayments we make do not cover it...so they have to keep raising premiums for everyone. Just like auto insurance...if more accidents, everyone pays up. This is socialism.:D

[NasTee]

I have friends from canada and they say that they have no complaints about it, they think that ours is worse.

I think its all spin..

[radopps]

it saddens me when countries like Canada, U.K. and others have universal health care!!! as for Ron Paul...he has some valid points but he also wants to do radical things that most americans would not like!!!

[ChroniC588]

Universal Healthcare = HMO.

Who likes HMO?

[corytomo]

Wow, that article was very interesting.
Good points on both sides, and I'm sorry to say it, the longer wait times may be worth the cheaper cost. 9% GDP to insure 100% of the canadian population vs 14% GDP to insure 85% of the US.

Either way you cut it though, healthcare will be expensive no matter what we or the government do.

[corytomo]

Oh, where'd the article go? Here's the link back to it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared

[nlm]

My two cents since I'm Canadian.

I have to say that I haven't really experienced any problems with going to the doctor clinic or hospital in Canada. Yes, for surgeries there can be a wait list depending on the kind of surgery but it's all included in our healthcare where you pay a premium for every month (about $50 a month or so) or have it covered through your workplace. This includes doctor visits and emergency trips to the hospital, examinations, etc. Right now as a student, I don't pay anything since my income is low. A child is automatically covered free of charge until 19 years old. If you make below a certain amount of wages, you can apply for and receive assistance (aka my student situation) and it's almost automatic once they see how much you earn when you file taxes annually.

The current adjusted net income thresholds are:
$20,000 - 100 percent subsidy
$22,000 - 80 percent subsidy
$24,000 - 60 percent subsidy
$26,000 - 40 percent subsidy
$28,000 - 20 percent subsidy

When I was living in Hawaii, I had to purchase medical insurance... and even then I had to pay upfront and it only covered a percentage of the cost.