Just got here

[JLau]

Okay, I haven't been on here in a while but I just got here on the 6th and picked up my car today so I have a short amount of time to get legal.

Here's what I think I have to do in order. Please correct me if I am wrong.

1. Get a wheel alignment
2. Schedule the inspection
3. If the car passed, get the safety check
4. Get the registration

Also have a couple concerns.

I removed my fogs and installed all OEM lights w/ SAE and DOT stampings and amber reflectors in the corners. I Re-installed my USDM gauge cluster and OEM steering wheel w/ airbag.

The only things I am wondering about is my CF rear spoiler, it does not have the 3rd brake light and the fact that I have a 4 point roll bar and FRP racing buckets.

All the OEM seatbelts are installed and all 4 bolts on the seat brackets are bolted in.

On my girl's car I know I need to remove the tint because it is not legal but the rest of her car is fine. I think the only reason she'd need recon is because it's a little lowered.

How is it that 90% of all Honda's and Acura's that are pretty well modified do not have recon but have safety checks???

[ikeyballz]

half of the safety check guys dont really check. serious. i know at least two places that give safety's without reallly checking. im sure theres a lot more..since those are the two places i've been. ever.

as long as its not crazy modified i think they let it go for the most part.. and also, i think it comes down to the cops giving more recon violation tickets than safety inspectors saying no..?

btw, is your first name jason? lol..j.w. cuz i knew a jason lau....

im sure theres a lot of em but yeh. =P

you might want to try talking w. lois, she's the neighborhood expert on recon.

[xurusaibobx]

personally

i would get a killer alarm with hidden Ninja and fuel cut.

here in hawaii its honda hunting season year around -( lots of hondas get stolen daily)


lol

then i would work on the recon/safety stuff


try pm lois

[ArchangelX]

J...what type of car do you have, I can't tell? It looks done up though...heheh.

[idiosyncratic]

hey welcome back (home) JLau!!!! I just spoke with my bro last night, the one in WA state... he's home on recovery... he's the one that lives not too far from Yakima (He actually lives between Toppenish and Wapato).

You didnt' specify which island you're on... Different island have different rules for recon. Actually (please correct me if I'm wrong for those that are more knowledgeable than I) I think that only Oahu has recon. laws.

[8overgixxer]

recon is a state law enforced in counties over a certain population. Only honolulu county is subject to recon due to our population of over 1/2 million people. Surrounding counties do not need such inspections.

You're on the right track jlau, and I would suggest calling ASAP to get an appointment cause it takes days just to get through on the phone and weeks to get scheduled. They won't issue you any official notice stating your inspection date (even though it's THEIR office, not your car, that's backed up and preventing you from getting the inspection.)

If the vehicle was just shipped in, keep your dock paperwork in the car with you as it states you have 60 days to get the safety performed. It saved me a few times while waiting for my appointment. it's not an "official" get out of ticket free card either, but it proves the vehicle was just shipped and cops are pretty lenient if you have that on you.

You can try to call every day at 8 am and noon to see if they have any cancellations, I tried for 4 weeks to get a cancelled appointment but to no avail.

[8overgixxer]

also go to a safety check place and get a failed safety (blue paper) which basically states "the vehicle does not meet safety requirements, but I'm working on it" it will save you if a cop pulls you over.

If you get pulled over for not having a safety, but you have the blue paper it's like a get out of ticket free card (for 30 days)

[Rob]

Hey JLau...

welcome back and glad to see you got here safely

In order of priority you should get the following

1) Have a good security system installed
2) Hawaii Insurance
3) Make your recon appointment
4) Within 30 days of that appointment get alignment and a failed inspection failing you for recon only.

Remember... Attitude is everything...

[JLau]

Thanks for all the help guys, I have pics of the car in her prime but it is pretty much back to stock for recon and yes, I am living on Oahu.

The car has a basic alarm and a clutch lock for now. It will be upgraded.

So, attempt to schedule an appointment w/ recon, get an alignment, and get a failed safety inspection notice? I think I got it?

[Rob]

Thats about it... If I missed something Aunty Lois will chime in

[xurusaibobx]

J- i wouldnt post a lot about your car, word gets around fast to the crooks...and stay away from Forums hawaii

[8overgixxer]

J- i wouldnt post a lot about your car, word gets around fast to the crooks...and stay away from Forums hawaii

yeah cause the trolls live under the bridge there :insane:

[ArchangelX]

*sigh*

[xurusaibobx]

yeah cause the trolls live under the bridge there :insane:

no because crooks go on the boards and scope out peoples rides...

why you think so many cars that are for sale typical hondas, get stolen on the boards?

i wasnt talking about your ordeal with recon....

you cant trust anyone now days

[8overgixxer]

no because crooks go on the boards and scope out peoples rides...

why you think so many cars that are for sale typical hondas, get stolen on the boards?

i wasnt talking about your ordeal with recon....

you cant trust anyone now days

crooks can come here, or craigslist or wherever on the internet just as easy man. no point in bashing on one entity.

[ArchangelX]

I think what he means is that Hawaii Talks is like...a nobody...so nobody visits here, 'cuz there's nobody here. Right, Gil? :hihi: :sadpace:

[xurusaibobx]

this place is useless....only a bunch of people who think they know it all...who in their right mind would come here?

[JLau]

Thanks much guys. I hope to stick around as soon as I get settled here.


Oh and even Seattle has nothing on Oahu traffic. It SUCKS!!! (just had to add that)

[ArchangelX]

this place is useless....only a bunch of people who think they know it all...who in their right mind would come here?

That was sarcasm. :horrormov: :weirdo:

[xurusaibobx]

That was sarcasm. :horrormov: :weirdo:


i wasnt joking though:giveup:

[ArchangelX]

ROFL. Dammnit! :sadpace:

[ikeyballz]

haha.. i think all honda owners got the whole stuff down tho.. like they know they're taking a chance when they have a built honda.. see, you gotta be like me.. get a car no one wants... :( so you cant even sell it when you want to.. :mecry:


haha, jk :P from the looks of the (rear suspension?) your car looks meaan :D

[JLau]

Update...

I finally got around to calling and I am really late in doing so due to all the things that come w/ moving across the Pacific Ocean but I plan on getting the failed safety tomorrow. Will that give me 30 days from the safety inspection to get Recon because my appointment isn't till the 13th of March?

I have to say that I talked to a scheduler and an inspector and they were both very helpful. I was dreading the inspection w/ all that I've read in the forums but I feel much better after talking w/ them. :fingersx:

[8overgixxer]

Update...

I finally got around to calling and I am really late in doing so due to all the things that come w/ moving across the Pacific Ocean but I plan on getting the failed safety tomorrow. Will that give me 30 days from the safety inspection to get Recon because my appointment isn't till the 13th of March?

I have to say that I talked to a scheduler and an inspector and they were both very helpful. I was dreading the inspection w/ all that I've read in the forums but I feel much better after talking w/ them. :fingersx:

I'm glad they were nice to you. I'm sure many of them are nice people, but I had a bad experience every time I called.

Yes, technically you are allowed 30 days on that failed inspection to "correct" the items that are not in accordance with the law. After the 30 days that blue paper will no longer save you from an encounter with the police unless you get a nice cop who understands and lets you off. Fact is, you will be driving illegally from the day that blue paper expires. You have a few options, 1) get ANOTHER failed safety for ANOTHER $15 and you will be "legal" for 30 more days. 2) drive illegally and hope you don't get caught. You can normally take the blue paper to your inspection station after the 30 days have passed and they will honor your corrections and give you a passed inspection. 3) if you have documents stating the vehicle has been recently shipped to Hawaii you may choose to show those if a police officer pulls you over. This worked for me as my Pasha Hawaii shipping papers state that I had 60 days to conform to the laws here.

Not sure if you just shipped the vehicle. If you did, have you got a Hawaii title? That is another thing that must be performed in conjunction with the MVC office and I'm not sure if that inspection can be performed at the same time as the recon inspection, but I would assume it could be barring any bureaucratic bullsh*t.

In my case I titled the vehicle in hawaii while living on the mainland, so I avoided having to have this secondary inspection for "recently imported" vehicles performed. There is a series of papers you need to fill out and the DMV's at satellite city halls are actually quite helpful with the process. I spoke with them many times while living in NYC and they picked up their phone in a reasonable time when I called (no busy signals for days on end.) They were always polite, professional, respectful and helpful.

This issue you are now facing was a big point that I brought up in some of my original complaint posts and here it is again. An honest law abiding citizen trying to do the right thing, but forced to be either without their vehicle or to drive illegally due to the backup at the Recon Office.

Why is there no policy to issue a statement containing the date of a recon appointment? Again it does not need to be an official "get out of ticket" free card, but something from the office would help to explain why someone is driving without a recon/ safety inspection when a cop pulls them over. It would still be at the discretion of the officer to issue a ticket if he feels the driver was not making an honest effort to make the car legal.

Just a statement on MVC letterhead stating something similar to the following. I have not spent a lot of time thinking about the legality of this as of yet, so don't tear apart the wording. you get the drift I'm sure.

"Mr. John Doe has scheduled an appointment for a reconstructed vehicle inspection to be performed on "X" date. Due to an increased volume of inspections we are unable to accept him any earlier than this date and have issued this statement as a notice to any official who may question the operation of the vehicle on public roadways. Customers who choose to operate the vehicle prior to the inspection date do so at their own risk, we at the MVC office assume no liability for customers actions."

Nice and simple, form letter, all it takes is to input names and get a signature from someone official at the office. And like I said, not a get out of ticket free card, just something to aid in explaining why john doe is driving without a recon/safety.

[JLau]

Thanks, you cleared up a lot for me.

About the title transfer? What is the vehicle inspected for? I would assume just for VIN number matches and not another type of safety/recon thing? That would be more than overkill. I guess I'll ask the Recon inspectors when I get there. I hope they know something about it. I've never heard or read anything on my shipping paperwork about the title.

I do feel you on the whole illegal driving while waiting to get everything legal. The biggest thing that bugs me is the amount of vehicles on the road w/ safety checks and clearly should have a recon tag.

99.9% of all lifted trucks here have no recon tags.

99.9% of lowered vehicles have no recon tags.

I've seen 3 Integra's w/ JDM ITR front ends which have no amber reflectors and are lowered. 2 of them had no recon. WTF??? Seriously. I am sweating trying to get everything done right and it seems like I am one of the few people who are. Every one else is above the law???

I am still doing it right but I feel like I'm being cheated here.

Oh well....

[xurusaibobx]

yups cops dont pull over people just for recon...they just tack it on when your speeding or doing moving violations....

lots of people here have the "i dont give a shet FK recon" attitude here so nobody bothers getting it.. then the day the get hit with recon tickets they ***** and moan then figure out getting tickets aint worth it so they try and get recon. also with the crack down on Safety check stations giving out illegal SC stickers its harder for these illegal cars to get SC unless they know people ...

its better to be safe (legal) then sorry (illegal) ....


also it gives you the ease of feeling your safe when you pass cops or a check point.

[8overgixxer]

Thanks, you cleared up a lot for me.

About the title transfer? What is the vehicle inspected for? I would assume just for VIN number matches and not another type of safety/recon thing? That would be more than overkill. I guess I'll ask the Recon inspectors when I get there. I hope they know something about it. I've never heard or read anything on my shipping paperwork about the title.

I do feel you on the whole illegal driving while waiting to get everything legal. The biggest thing that bugs me is the amount of vehicles on the road w/ safety checks and clearly should have a recon tag.

99.9% of all lifted trucks here have no recon tags.

99.9% of lowered vehicles have no recon tags.

I've seen 3 Integra's w/ JDM ITR front ends which have no amber reflectors and are lowered. 2 of them had no recon. WTF??? Seriously. I am sweating trying to get everything done right and it seems like I am one of the few people who are. Every one else is above the law???

I am still doing it right but I feel like I'm being cheated here.

Oh well....

Yes it is a VIN confirmation. They take a paper and do a pencil rubbing of the vin from your firewall. When I was on the mainland I had this done by a police officer and signed. Once the vehicle is in hawaii, I'm 99% sure an MVC has to do it.

If I were you i would head down to a satellite city hall and talk to a clerk about titling a vehicle in Hawaii. Bring your current paperwork from the state you came from and they will give you a few forms to fill out including the VIN paperwork.

http://www.alohavehicleregistrationonline.com/regis_t5.html

That website has a lot of good info about the process, but they are too expensive and you can do everything yourself for free. Just read the info and head to the DMV.

[ArchangelX]

Thanks Gixxer for the extra info. ;)

[8overgixxer]

yups cops dont pull over people just for recon...they just tack it on when your speeding or doing moving violations....

lots of people here have the "i dont give a shet FK recon" attitude here so nobody bothers getting it.. then the day the get hit with recon tickets they ***** and moan then figure out getting tickets aint worth it so they try and get recon. also with the crack down on Safety check stations giving out illegal SC stickers its harder for these illegal cars to get SC unless they know people ...

its better to be safe (legal) then sorry (illegal) ....


also it gives you the ease of feeling your safe when you pass cops or a check point.

cop pulled me over one time for no front license plate in my old rx7. I used to keep a bracket with the plate behind my seat and a broken bolt, so I showed it to him, he let me go on that, but wrote me up on recon. lol. Good times. Anyway that was more than 10 years ago, got the inspection no problem back then, but I failed one time for manini sh*t, oh well.

Took me 3 days from the time i got the ticket till the time I got inspected. 1 day to research and figure out what I needed, spent the afternoon swapping my glass and peeling my 35% off the windshield (yeah I was 16 ok, we all did it) get affidavits etc.... the second day I drove to the office, waited in line for 20 minutes or 1/2 hour then got failed for rubber pedal covers. drove to napa in Kaimuki, bought some covers went back the next day and passed. That was better than waiting 4-6 weeks to get inspected like how it is now. anyway. I digress.

to elaborate on jlau's concern over his title. I may be wrong here, but from what I remember it stems from a catch 22 type of situation requiring hawaii title to get reg to pass safety. This does not include recon, but you already know that fits in between failed safety and reg and it takes 4 or 5 weeks.

Again I may be wrong, but this is kinda how I remember it from talking with the DMV

a) In order to operate a vehicle in Hawaii the vehicle must carry a PIP (no fault) insurance card (different from mainland insurance) and a safety inspection AND a registration paper showing that you have paid up your operating fees (registration).

B) SO In order to get the safety inspection you need a Hawaii registration, otherwise you will be failed on your safety for no reg. (this is the part that is blurry, certain military are allowed to keep out of state plates/reg, but pay hawaii reg fee, i didn't pay much attention when they told me 'cuz I not military.)

C) In order to get the Hawaii registration you need a hawaii title...

D) get the Hawaii title by bringing your current title and filling out forms at the DMV

E) Now, show Hawaii title, failed safety for no reg and PIP insurance to the DMV, get Hawaii Reg

F) go back to failed safety check station, get safety and all good.

Again the best thing to do is head to the DMV and just talk with them, you'll spend 20 minutes in line, unless you luck out and hit one with no line, but in the long run you will save time cause they will tell you everything you need to know and you can get it all ready and bang it out all one time.

Back to these aloha reg guys, they make a statement that the vehicle must be registered within 30 days, but my pasha papers said 60 days to "comply with all regulations." Of course I was already reg'd in hawaii, so slightly different sitation.

Who did you ship with?

http://www.alohavehicleregistrationonline.com/regis_t1.html

http://www.co.honolulu.hi.us/csd/vehicle/mvinformation.htm

Good luck, pm me if you have any major concerns or get confused, but like I said, DMV lays it out straightforward and as hassle-free as can be.

[lois]

also go to a safety check place and get a failed safety (blue paper) which basically states "the vehicle does not meet safety requirements, but I'm working on it" it will save you if a cop pulls you over.

If you get pulled over for not having a safety, but you have the blue paper it's like a get out of ticket free card (for 30 days)John you need to stop posting this all over because this not true. it is up to the officer if he wants to give the offender a ticket. MOST popo will give the person the benefit of the doubt but just having the blue copy is no guarantee.

[lois]

JLau--to avoid all misinformation that you're getting here, call me at 592-4575 ASAP.

[lois]

oh and JLau i apologize that i haven't been around to give you the correct information so things go smoothly.

[lois]

FYI
8 am and noon is the WoRST times to be calling the recon office *sigh*

[HI-5o]

John you need to stop posting this all over because this not true. it is up to the officer if he wants to give the offender a ticket. MOST popo will give the person the benefit of the doubt but just having the blue copy is no guarantee.

Yeah...^^^ What Lois said...

I will give a break based on what was wrong (failed item) on the blue copy...

Like Lois said... it depends...


Remember the blue copy is an inspection receipt that shows your car FAILED a safety inspection...

[Udrivecrap]

oh yeah?... what if the cops can't catch you to see your little blue piece of paper? :brush: what then? haha!...

[8overgixxer]

Iphoning. Of course its still up to the cop. I never said of was a free pas, but its "like" one. In any case its still better than no blue paper at all. You could still get a recon or safety ticket, but it gives u a fighting chance to explain yourself.

I have more to say, but too much for this iPhone keyboard. Catch up with you tomorrow

8am and 12 is when the office staff TOLD me to call! If that is bad info why are they giving it?

[8overgixxer]

Ughhh... Here we go again.

First of all Lois the only "advice" I have offered up is for him to call the DMV and Recon office to get the proper info. Other than that I have recounted my own experiences and offer them up for review and an example. I have a fair amount of experience dealing with registering an out of state vehicle since I JUST did it. I received advice directly from employees of the city and county, as I suggested jlau should do. i did not consult (although I did try initially, only to be ignored) someone who has no current official status with the city and county such as former employee or spouse of an employee.

Next, I will elaborate on my blue paper comment. I should have stated this earlier, but yes, it is not a guarantee to get out of the ticket. I apologize for being vague on this subject earlier.

Rather the blue paper's greatest asset is to invoke leniency in an officer who has pulled you over. I have yet to meet a cop who would issue a no safety ticket to the owner of a "reasonably legal" vehicle. I'm not talking about fart cans and wide body kits or illegal tint that obviously need to be addressed. I'm talking about your average everyday car that happens to be lapsed on it's safety, maybe it needed new tires or a has a rock chip in the windshield or something along those lines.

I'm going to recount my own experience again here. watch out people, please do not interpret this as advice. (is that enough of a disclaimer for everyone?)

I was 17, safety had expired in june and it was july, I had a cracked tail light, tires with wear marks showing and a repaired rock chip that was deemed unacceptable by a safety check station. i took my failed paperwork, ordered parts, of which some were back-ordered, made appointments at the necessary places to get things repaired, kept the estimates/invoices with me in my car and sure enough I got pulled over. When I presented the failed paperwork to the officer he asked me:

"Are you taking care of these failures"

I stated "yes officer, here is proof" I handed him the documents and he said

"alright, thank you" then he walked away and i was off the hook.

Another time a year or two later I got pulled over with an expired registration and failed safety (for the reg) as I was headed to the DMV to pay the reg, I even had a check made out to the city. Again, same situation, he asked me if I was dealing with it, I explained I was, showed him the check and the reg bill and he let me go.

Cops don't write tickets for nothing. If you can demonstrate that you are a decent human being and attempting to deal with the issues, 99% of the time they will let you go. I'm willing to bet the officers on here will agree with that comment. Even if they don't, a judge viewing the same pieces of paper will quickly throw it out.

[ADVICE] It is better to have a failed blue paper than nothing at all. keep every piece of evidence to show your attempts to conform to the state safety standards and be respectful to the officer./END ADVICE

Which brings me back to my original point brought up months ago. Why does the recon office fail to issue a piece of paper stating your appointment date to serve as evidence to the officer that you are trying to conform? Every other check mark on that safety paper can be dealt with either immediately (i.e. insurance or registration) or by making an appointment with an auto shop (brakes, suspension, engine etc...) as demonstrated earlier even if they are unable to service your vehicle immediately, you are capable of getting a paper issued stating that you are trying. Recon is the only category that leaves you completely unable to prove your effort to conform due to their inability to issue said paper.

Moving on. Lois I do not appreciate your snide little "sigh" at the end of your comment about calling the office. As I stated those are the times I was instructed to call the office by the office staff who fielded my question. if that is a bad idea. why do they offer that as advice?

Please remember to leave your personal disdain for my existence outside this thread. You are a moderator and as such should serve these boards with an impartial viewpoint. Leave your family outside of this. If you choose to be the guru on recon be prepared to offer up logical, consistent, non-emotional arguments to support your point. I don't want this to turn into another "you insulted my family" thread.

[JLau]

Thanks guys, I think I got it. I have been driving well and will deal w/ tickets if they come but they should not. I just have to wait for my Recon inspection on the 13th. The cars will be out of the 30 day window of the bill of lading and pick up for a day. The cars are in perfect condition for inspection to the best of my knowledge and after talking to an inspector at the Recon office, I think the cars will be good.

The only things on my failed inspection for both cars were for Recon, and on my car I needed new wiper blades which I got. Actually it really just needed to be washed but I got new ones anyway.

I already made it down to the DMV in Pearlridge and have the title/recon/safety/registration thing down.

Basically the recon office, DMV, safety inspectors and you all were really helpful. Hopefully the cars pass and everything will be legal only a couple days late. :fingersx:

I will be back here w/ q's if not.

Now, back to the adult section.......:hilarious:

[Rob]

Yeah...^^^ What Lois said...

I will give a break based on what was wrong (failed item) on the blue copy...

Like Lois said... it depends...


Remember the blue copy is an inspection receipt that shows your car FAILED a safety inspection...

Yep...

The blue copy DOES NOT give you the OK to drive the vehicle. It identifies discrepancies that when checked by an authorized person will determine if the vehicle should be allowed to operate on the highway.

[Udrivecrap]

yeah, well... i hope you all remember ONE thing.. :batman: if your car is fast enough you don't need no stinkin' blue pieces of paper.

[lois]

Ughhh... Here we go again.

First of all Lois the only "advice" I have offered up is for him to call the DMV and Recon office to get the proper info. Other than that I have recounted my own experiences and offer them up for review and an example. I have a fair amount of experience dealing with registering an out of state vehicle since I JUST did it. I received advice directly from employees of the city and county, as I suggested jlau should do. i did not consult (although I did try initially, only to be ignored) someone who has no current official status with the city and county such as former employee or spouse of an employee.

Next, I will elaborate on my blue paper comment. I should have stated this earlier, but yes, it is not a guarantee to get out of the ticket. I apologize for being vague on this subject earlier.

Rather the blue paper's greatest asset is to invoke leniency in an officer who has pulled you over. I have yet to meet a cop who would issue a no safety ticket to the owner of a "reasonably legal" vehicle. I'm not talking about fart cans and wide body kits or illegal tint that obviously need to be addressed. I'm talking about your average everyday car that happens to be lapsed on it's safety, maybe it needed new tires or a has a rock chip in the windshield or something along those lines.

I'm going to recount my own experience again here. watch out people, please do not interpret this as advice. (is that enough of a disclaimer for everyone?)

I was 17, safety had expired in june and it was july, I had a cracked tail light, tires with wear marks showing and a repaired rock chip that was deemed unacceptable by a safety check station. i took my failed paperwork, ordered parts, of which some were back-ordered, made appointments at the necessary places to get things repaired, kept the estimates/invoices with me in my car and sure enough I got pulled over. When I presented the failed paperwork to the officer he asked me:

"Are you taking care of these failures"

I stated "yes officer, here is proof" I handed him the documents and he said

"alright, thank you" then he walked away and i was off the hook.

Another time a year or two later I got pulled over with an expired registration and failed safety (for the reg) as I was headed to the DMV to pay the reg, I even had a check made out to the city. Again, same situation, he asked me if I was dealing with it, I explained I was, showed him the check and the reg bill and he let me go.

Cops don't write tickets for nothing. If you can demonstrate that you are a decent human being and attempting to deal with the issues, 99% of the time they will let you go. I'm willing to bet the officers on here will agree with that comment. Even if they don't, a judge viewing the same pieces of paper will quickly throw it out.

[ADVICE] It is better to have a failed blue paper than nothing at all. keep every piece of evidence to show your attempts to conform to the state safety standards and be respectful to the officer./END ADVICE

Which brings me back to my original point brought up months ago. Why does the recon office fail to issue a piece of paper stating your appointment date to serve as evidence to the officer that you are trying to conform? Every other check mark on that safety paper can be dealt with either immediately (i.e. insurance or registration) or by making an appointment with an auto shop (brakes, suspension, engine etc...) as demonstrated earlier even if they are unable to service your vehicle immediately, you are capable of getting a paper issued stating that you are trying. Recon is the only category that leaves you completely unable to prove your effort to conform due to their inability to issue said paper.

Moving on. Lois I do not appreciate your snide little "sigh" at the end of your comment about calling the office. As I stated those are the times I was instructed to call the office by the office staff who fielded my question. if that is a bad idea. why do they offer that as advice?

Please remember to leave your personal disdain for my existence outside this thread. You are a moderator and as such should serve these boards with an impartial viewpoint. Leave your family outside of this. If you choose to be the guru on recon be prepared to offer up logical, consistent, non-emotional arguments to support your point. I don't want this to turn into another "you insulted my family" thread.

soo...you done anything about your complaints since the last thread?

or just post on the boards...like everyone else?

just curious

[8overgixxer]

Still talking with people and pushing along. Government is slow, we all know that. Also I'm incredibly busy with school, work and remodeling my place (kitchen and bathroom are gutted atm.) I still find a few hours each week to devote to looking at options for a bill and reform. It'll get done, but I have a thousand other projects that are more important in my life.

Not the answer you expected huh? ;)

[lois]

no, that is exactly the answer i expected and expected before.

YOU went down the slippery road first when you posted antagonistic threads about the office...so don't act like you were surprised when i was offended.


i was just mistaken when i thought you had the same respect for me that i once had for you. now that i know where i stand i will reply accordingly.

"a thousand other projects that are more important in my life." = nothing will get done as usual.

perhaps you should hit up Drew, who actually does stuff when he complains about it on the boards.

[8overgixxer]

You missed the part about "spending a few hours a week." Like usual you concentrate on the statement that supports your viewpoint and fail to notice the part that you don't want to hear. I bolded it incase you missed it the first time you read it. ;)

I'm sure that drew has a thousand other things going on in his life as well and he's only available to put forth a small amount of his time toward legislature. (I don't know drew, so maybe he's a legislator or involved in government in his employment... that statement may be incorrect.)

It'll get done, in due time, just like everything else in government. I didn't say I was looking to get it introduced ASAP. I'd rather have all my ducks in a row so that when it does get submitted it breezes through. The latest issue we've come across is that the safety check system will need to be reformed in order for the recon changes to make sense and be administered effectively (of course that is limited by the personnel who administer both at the county level and private inspector level.) Keep in mind the old recon bill is 40 pages long or so, not sure what it is without the motorcycle sections which are now seemingly defunct. We are going through it piece by piece.

I'm sure we'll encounter quite a bit of opposition here since so many auto shops thrive on giving out "fast kine" safety checks, in and out make an easy $20 of which $19.50 is profit since they only need to pay the state $0.50 for the stickers. Convincing those shop owners, who always show up in record numbers when a safety check reform bill appears, is gonna be the hard part. Our bill is not looking to take away their income, however it is looking to update an ancient system and make it better for the majority of the public.

I'll keep plugging away at it. In my own time and when my counsel has their available time. I'm not being paid for my efforts, neither are they. It will not affect me directly since the only recon required mod I'm doing to my car is complete and the vehicle has been inspected and passed. Whatever I do get done is for the good of others.



As for you respecting me, I'd believe that statement if you had answered the PM you asked me to send a few months ago. Instead you strung me along to believe you gave a sh*t. You never had any mutual respect for me, otherwise you wouldn't have ignored me after offering your assistance. Like I said, I don't want this to be another "you insulted me thread." We've had enough of those and it seems you are trying to turn this one into it too.

[lois]

i'm not turning into a "you insulted me" thread.

you insulted an office that you clearly knew nothing of the inner workings of the how and why.

1. i explained (before) that the current policy is the result of other people complaining about how it was before. you chose to ignore that.

2. you have about three instances of comments and advice that were proven to be wrong, yet you insist on making like i'm the bad guy.

a. regardless of what you SAY you meant now, the advice about the blue paper was very misleading and could cause a lot of people to think otherwise. unfortunately i don't care about the constituency of FH to make that known there.

b. your comments about how they did not know you had an appointment because you saw what you saw and not knowing about what goes on before you walk into that office.

c. you not knowing that recon is not their only duty.

...

if you ask a lot of other people they will tell you i am not big on PMs. urusaibob tried before and not getting a reply he posted on the forum instead. regardless of my bad habit of not looking at PMs in a timely manner i still respected you at one point.

[Rob]

yeah, well... i hope you all remember ONE thing.. :batman: if your car is fast enough you don't need no stinkin' blue pieces of paper.

I put my money on HI-50's blue light special over your ghetto-rod Dave....

[Act162this]

roger that. people back in the day used to say you might be able to outrun a crown vic, but you can't outrun motorola.

[Udrivecrap]

:batman: my car can change colors and there is a place for it in the bat cave...

aside from just reading the discussion about using the blue paper if you get pulled over, i would like to hear more about this attempt for a bill to change an old system of safety checks... i like the sound of that, i also like fast kine safety checks, though i know they are not truly safe.

i mean, how many safety inspectors actually take off the tires to inspect your brake thickness? it takes too much time, i guess it also depends where you go for your safety.

i have no problem with the safety inspection system, i do have a problem with some of the people who perform the inspections. some are just too anal or too stupid and it makes me think that is where the reform is needed... the inspectors.

[Act162this]

actually, it has a lot to do with where you get your safety check. some stations do give it the hairy eyeball like they're supposed to, others just pencil whip you through.

[Udrivecrap]

so how do you standardize this? take away the job because the morons make the whole class look stupid.

make the city do it... drive thru safety checks where you get your drivers license too. if you want to give the mechanics a job in the DOT, make them perform smog checks (which actually makes the vehicle owner spend money to upkeep the running condition in order to pass the emissions test) and let the police write fix it tickets for things like burned out lights and tires that pass the fender and mufflers that fall off possibly subjecting you to a littering fine if you don't stop and pick it up. :D

[Rob]

The inspection criteria is already defined.

Current standard was issued in 2005. (IIRC)

There are "methods" to check certain items outside of the outlined procedure.

I used to go a quick visual to look for the obvious violations, then send them on their way if they dont want to fix things. If they get belligerent, I'll take their money and give-um a blue copy and MAKE them fix the problems.

I had one lady EVERY year used to come in without her front plate on the truck. I told her it wont pass, she said she wont put it on... I told her to "have a nice day" and walked into the office... She'd come back 10 minutes later with the plate on and be all huffy (lil beeyotch)

[Udrivecrap]

well, that's good, Rob... but, they way the State over looks the operation sucks. hell, i know there are still places that can give you checks without even LOOKING AT YOUR CAR! :wtf: what does that say about the system?

years ago i got a safety with a light out on my license plate. that shoulda failed, but the nice old man asked me if i was going to fix it. so i said yes, and he said ok i'll put the sticker on. :wtf:

then i thought to myself, nobody is "watching" these mechanics do this procedure... and this is totally stupid.

so, if someone dies because a car that just got saftey inspected had faulty brakes and caused the accident... who would be responsible for that? the inspector or the State of Hawaii or the vehicle owner?

if the vehicle owner is ultimately responsible, then why do they do safety checks in the first place? :wtf: i'll tell you why, because its just another way to rip off the public.

[Rob]

There is nothing that says a hard brake line in a hidden area of the chassis will fail causing an accident. This could happen as they drive out of the safety inspection station... and it wouldnt have been caught during inspection.

The amount of time it takes to do a "correct" inspection overrides the amount of revenue the inspections generate.

YES, there are shops that still do the pencil the info in... but its not the shop I worked at.

There still are and always will be a place where you can get a "hookup"... but no one came to me...

I had friends with otherwise stock cars with dark tint... "just take dat shit off and no worry"... Funny how they know its legal but want a way out of their indescretions when they get caught.

Got a few female friends who like stickers on the outer edges of their windows... They KNOW its illegal... but dont complain at inspection... in fact... most remove the stickers on their own PRIOR to inspection...

[Udrivecrap]

there's nothing that says there WILL NOT be some kind of mechanical failure right after the safety inspection is completed. which further reinforces my point of view that its a complete waste of taxpayer time and consumer dollars...

if it were done properly, i would imagine a charge of about $65 for the time. which is now really stupid.

think of it, it woulda been better saving time and money to just have a machine that tells you if its blowing bad gases because your car is sh*tty, all for $10.. common sense says if you crash cuz you can't see when it rains real hard that's because you need new wipers or they are broken. if you can't see or be seen at night and someone crashes into you, that means you need to replace some bulbs before its too late. when you armor all your tires and wire strands poke your finger and it bleeds, you need new tires. i don't understand what's so hard about that..

[Rob]

Think about it this way... they do check for no-fault insurance... and I'm thabnkful there is that one check and balance... (of course... they could just do that at DMV)

[lois]

Dave they do oversee the stations...lots of guys have lost licenses in the last year... in fact, one big level chain is possibly in the crosshairs again. maybe not just a 6 month suspension this time, we're talking revocation. do you know how much customers and revenue is lost? this girl that worked with me told me she was working at that aforementioned place and that after their license was suspended, business was crap.

as always, though, time and budget constraints are underlying factors... yes, the same 4 people who uninformed people think only do recon allllllll day are the same 4 people that have to watch the safety stations.

let me tell you, they are more than happy to investigate complaints about shady stations...they get complaints from the public, they investigate. more eyes and ears the better. one clerk they have in their office scans each and every safety check application with an eagle eye...she generates a lot of investigations, whether it be from a careless mistake, or suspicion that the person signing off isn't the one filling the form. she's a Nazi when it comes to that. :D:police:

[Udrivecrap]

ok.. but that's why i said i think the way they monitor the stations suck. they shouldn't wait for complaints to come rolling in.. that's a problem. it would take more money to monitor the stations properly wasting even more taxpayer dollars. like Rob said, a simple safety check at the DMV would suffice. now add a smog control system and you have TWO checks in place.

it would be a major pain in the butt for me personally, but i would rather see safe and clean burning cars on the road.. that would help assure the whole "safety" issue.

[lois]

ok.. but that's why i said i think the way they monitor the stations suck. they shouldn't wait for complaints to come rolling in.. that's a problem. it would take more money to monitor the stations properly wasting even more taxpayer dollars. like Rob said, a simple safety check at the DMV would suffice. now add a smog control system and you have TWO checks in place.

it would be a major pain in the butt for me personally, but i would rather see safe and clean burning cars on the road.. that would help assure the whole "safety" issue.

they don't just wait for complaints to come rolling in, Dave...remember the Nazi clerk i told you about? yeah she generates a lot of investigations. if i see something amiss i relay information to the office. they do their reconnaissance on the stations themselves but their time constraints become obvious when we have clueless people complaining about how they can't get recon on a timely basis. that cuts into a LOT of the quality control. blame the people *****ing about recon.

budget constraints allow for only 4 positions, yes that is the problem. so what do people want? better safety check policing or "i want my recon when i want it, and i want it right now"? both would be better...tax increase for more positions? more *****ing? where does it end?

the safety inspectors' test has become very difficult to pass. i have seen seasoned past inspectors failing time and time again. this has not been only MY suggestion, but an idea that has been bouncing around for awhile...make safety check inspector applicants pay a FEE every time they try to take the test. that would provide an incentive for the applicant to actually know their way around a car and the procedures to inspect it, or at least make an effort to study enough to even attempt a passing score. that would get rid of a lot of the riff raff pencil pushing safety inspectors. that would make the license that much more precious to have...and an inspector would think twice before allowing a gas jockey to write safety check for his friends indiscriminately. i bring that up everytime they have their meetings with the DOT...hopefully it should be implemented soon.

yes...saying you're going to do something vs. actually doing it...what a novel idea! :D

[Udrivecrap]

so yeah, there isn't enough money to have more "Nazi" clerks... i'm not sure if charging a fee for the testing will beef up the quality of the inspections as a whole. its precious to have a license because they make silly money off of doing it. an inspector could also abuse this license very easily by not being monitored as they should be.

a smog machine would end all the confusion and corruption... IMHO :D

[HI-5o]

yeah, well... i hope you all remember ONE thing.. :batman: if your car is fast enough you don't need no stinkin' blue pieces of paper.
oh yeah?... what if the cops can't catch you to see your little blue piece of paper? :brush: what then? haha!...
I put my money on HI-50's blue light special over your ghetto-rod Dave....
roger that. people back in the day used to say you might be able to outrun a crown vic, but you can't outrun motorola.
:batman: my car can change colors and there is a place for it in the bat cave...

Heh...
As far as running from us... the only pursuit I was in... the HPD helicopter was involved too... I was so impressed as to how much they can actually see and how easy it was for them to spot the driver after they jumped out of the car... So better secure the bat cave...

[Udrivecrap]

:D :D ok... thanks for the heads up :batman: you'll have no problems with me..

[Udrivecrap]

to clarify: earlier i posted that i have no problem with the safety check system.. i shoulda said safety check "guidlines"..

thinking about this stuff, i guess i actually do have a problem with the "system" itself. i haven't even commented on recon because i don't know much about it... and the safety inspector that i asked didn't know much either. so i said forget it. they shouldn't make it so difficult for people to get things done. why can't i just go to one place?

this whole safety/recon thing is so complicated.. i avoid it. :D who is stupid now?.. haha :grin:

[lois]

i dunno, Dave. a one-stop shop for inspections? might look good on paper, but then we're gonna get all the aunties and uncles who think driving from Waipahu to town is as far as the Earth to the Moon. (i talk to people like that on a daily basis).

i have never had a problem obtaining a safety check... and i have never needed recon for any of the mods i have ever done to any of my cars...i guess, like anything else, govt feels the need to regulate and have their hand in everything, so they regulate the enthusiasts. why do we have to get firework permits? why do we have to get camping permits? why do i have to get a permit to fish for catfish up at Nu'uanu Reservoir?

it's humbug but if i want to do that, i gotta do what i gotta do, right? what makes ME so special that i have to make stink about policy?:eusa_snooty:

[Rob]

ok.. but that's why i said i think the way they monitor the stations suck. they shouldn't wait for complaints to come rolling in.. that's a problem. it would take more money to monitor the stations properly wasting even more taxpayer dollars. like Rob said, a simple safety check at the DMV would suffice. now add a smog control system and you have TWO checks in place.

it would be a major pain in the butt for me personally, but i would rather see safe and clean burning cars on the road.. that would help assure the whole "safety" issue.

No.. What I said was the DMV was the best place to verify INSURANCE coverage.

They would have easier access to database info from the insurance companies...

No Insurance: NO car... immediate impound! (I'm all for this)

[Rob]

I dont see why SC and RECON cant be done by the same person... provided the person is not corrupt... (OK.. problem there)

I know both chapters pretty well.... and I dont let anything get past me when I was inspecting.

[lois]

I dont see why SC and RECON cant be done by the same person... provided the person is not corrupt... (OK.. problem there)

I know both chapters pretty well.... and I dont let anything get past me when I was inspecting.

therein lies the problem. with recon there is so much more incentive to "let someone slide"...as if there weren't enough crumbs doing it with safety check (who are being weeded out btw before you know who starts going off about that). better to let a small number do it...after all it's not like all of Oahu has modded cars.

we were just at the car show yesterday and there will be a few stations getting the Phone Call™ this morning. hehehe:batman:

[Rob]

I agree with that... but as with anything else... there would be a different standard to those specific inspection stations to deal with Recon... and those would be required to update themselves every quarter....

[Udrivecrap]

in california, i used to keep my stock stuff in a box. every other year when it was time to get my smog check, i'd put the factory crap on, pass the test, come home and slap the weber, intake, and exhaust and take all the smog stuff off.

it was against the law, but if i was ever pulled over and a cop saw what i did... he knows i can't get a smog check if i keep that stuff on. only the inspector would tell me what i needed and what i didn't need. basically, you needed the car to be like it was OEM in order to pass.

it looks like safety checks by itself is just saying that the people of Hawaii are too stupid to upkeep their cars at a safe level... maybe that's true... therefore, recon must be there because we all buy stolen parts at the flea market with grandma's money..

lol... :D

[8overgixxer]

Think about it this way... they do check for no-fault insurance... and I'm thabnkful there is that one check and balance... (of course... they could just do that at DMV)


For the most part, I agree. however I think we all know that there are people who get a PIP card and immediately cancel the insurance then use the "cancelled" card to get through routine pullovers. Sadly I've seen people skate through SC like that too. Thankfully that new insurance bill (which hopefully gets through) looks to address this problem by requiring the insurance companies to contact the DMV once a policy is issued/cancelled.

[8overgixxer]

i'm not turning into a "you insulted me" thread.

you insulted an office that you clearly knew nothing of the inner workings of the how and why.

1. i explained (before) that the current policy is the result of other people complaining about how it was before. you chose to ignore that.

2. you have about three instances of comments and advice that were proven to be wrong, yet you insist on making like i'm the bad guy.

a. regardless of what you SAY you meant now, the advice about the blue paper was very misleading and could cause a lot of people to think otherwise. unfortunately i don't care about the constituency of FH to make that known there.

b. your comments about how they did not know you had an appointment because you saw what you saw and not knowing about what goes on before you walk into that office.

c. you not knowing that recon is not their only duty.

...

if you ask a lot of other people they will tell you i am not big on PMs. urusaibob tried before and not getting a reply he posted on the forum instead. regardless of my bad habit of not looking at PMs in a timely manner i still respected you at one point.

And again, I introduce information that you don't like and you ignore it to further your own thoughts and dredge up old sh*t. Chances are you've insulted me elsewhere in these boards within the past 48 hours I'm sure i'll find it if i spend the time reading. Way to be a mod. :insane:

I'm guessing you don't like the idea of someone making an effort to change the way things are so instead you choose to come here and berate people in the hopes they will give up.

Good luck living in your stagnant world. I'm off to put forth my "few minutes a day" for the next 3-4 hours. The attorney had a bunch of free time and offered it to my cause, they are more interested now that it involves more than just recon and implements the SC system into the reform. DOn't expect results tomorrow, but it'll come.

[Rob]

Insurance companies could database alongside DMV and instant notification could be had.

If you obtain a legal card and fail to turn it in if you cancel, your plates, reg and safety get revoked administratively until you prove legal insurance coverage.

As for Recon/SC... I'll agree that its better to maintain a short leash... but even the SC's should be tightened up for those with recon (to prevent changes after the fact)

[8overgixxer]

Insurance companies could database alongside DMV and instant notification could be had.

If you obtain a legal card and fail to turn it in if you cancel, your plates, reg and safety get revoked administratively until you prove legal insurance coverage.

As for Recon/SC... I'll agree that its better to maintain a short leash... but even the SC's should be tightened up for those with recon (to prevent changes after the fact)

That is similar to what has been introduced. Basically once you are insured, insurance sends confirmation to DMV, if you cancel then Insurance sends a notice to DMV, DMV sends a notice that you have 10 days to reinsure or surrender plates and reg. If you don't do either, sheriff comes and takes plates away. Very simple.

ofcourse there are issues, license plates will be stolen once others plates are taken away by LEO's, and I'm sure other problems will arise. but atleast it prevents people from doin the old "cancel and ride." I know a LOT of motorcyclists who live this way and it's stupid.

[ghostcourt]

Insurance companies could database alongside DMV and instant notification could be had.

If you obtain a legal card and fail to turn it in if you cancel, your plates, reg and safety get revoked administratively until you prove legal insurance coverage.

As for Recon/SC... I'll agree that its better to maintain a short leash... but even the SC's should be tightened up for those with recon (to prevent changes after the fact)

I got my recon permit last year in March and went in for a safety check a week after. As I watched them they matched my tire/rim size to what was on the recon sheet, tested my horn, windshield wipers and looked at my headlights/turn signals/reverse. That was it. For this year's sc I went to a different station and it was very different. No other modification has been done to my car since I passed recon but this time they did all of the above plus, measured bumper height (per the recon sheet), used a tint meter, used a light meter for my headlights, looked inside the engine bay and listened to my exhaust. I found it interesting how the two shops differed in the process when they are supposed to be doing/checking for the same things. I passed of course:eusa_dance: But yeah, that was my experience recently.

[lois]

And again, I introduce information that you don't like and you ignore it to further your own thoughts and dredge up old sh*t. Chances are you've insulted me elsewhere in these boards within the past 48 hours I'm sure i'll find it if i spend the time reading. Way to be a mod. :insane:

I'm guessing you don't like the idea of someone making an effort to change the way things are so instead you choose to come here and berate people in the hopes they will give up.

Good luck living in your stagnant world. I'm off to put forth my "few minutes a day" for the next 3-4 hours. The attorney had a bunch of free time and offered it to my cause, they are more interested now that it involves more than just recon and implements the SC system into the reform. DOn't expect results tomorrow, but it'll come.

what (mis)information did you introduce that i chose to ignore? i took issue with your misleading statement about the blue papers. and there others that confirmed that it was misinforming and misleading. did i take issue with the rest of the information about shipping vehicles and the paperwork involved? uh...no.

unlike you i won't talk about stuff in an authoritative manner if i don't know what i am talking about. verbose does not = 100% correct. i pointed out the one thing i took issue with.

and on the contrary, i LIKE seeing people make an effort to do stuff they complain about...like Drew. you'll have to forgive my disbelief from watching him work years alone on an issue and no one else ever stepping up to help him. if you succeed in whatever it is you are pursuing, then good for you. like i've said before, when i b i tc h about something, i make sure things get done (like the parking situation at my workplace). but it takes a little more effort than a few minutes a day.

[8overgixxer]

I got my recon permit last year in March and went in for a safety check a week after. As I watched them they matched my tire/rim size to what was on the recon sheet, tested my horn, windshield wipers and looked at my headlights/turn signals/reverse. That was it. For this year's sc I went to a different station and it was very different. No other modification has been done to my car since I passed recon but this time they did all of the above plus, measured bumper height (per the recon sheet), used a tint meter, used a light meter for my headlights, looked inside the engine bay and listened to my exhaust. I found it interesting how the two shops differed in the process when they are supposed to be doing/checking for the same things. I passed of course:eusa_dance: But yeah, that was my experience recently.


yeah those are the kinds of major differences that surprise a lot of us. So many places just pencil it in and ask you how much mileage is on the car, that's it. My other fav was this old korean lady I had gone to in the past "lef blinka, rite blinka, headlight, lef blinka, right blinka, brake, reverse, OK PASS!" Needless to say they lost their license eventually.

As for me, my s2000 goes to the dealer for service and when I need a safety they do their honda checkoff list at the same time so at least the car gets a thorough once over AND a state safety. I figure that way it's worth it for them to do a good job. They are making the money off an oil change/major/minor service, plus at the same time they do the state inspection for the extra $15.

And lois, the thing you ignored is that i am putting forth an effort, you sit there and berate me while I'm actually trying to make a difference. Is that how you treated drew in the beginning too? You completely ignored the statement about my efforts (which YOU questioned) to bring up things that I'm way past. yes I was wrong about a few things in the past, but the more I discover, the less I can sympathize with the people from that office. There is a better way for it to be run.

There are ways to change it so that the government can better serve the people. Because when it's all said and done... isn't THAT what it's about.

[Rob]

That is similar to what has been introduced. Basically once you are insured, insurance sends confirmation to DMV, if you cancel then Insurance sends a notice to DMV, DMV sends a notice that you have 10 days to reinsure or surrender plates and reg. If you don't do either, sheriff comes and takes plates away. Very simple.

ofcourse there are issues, license plates will be stolen once others plates are taken away by LEO's, and I'm sure other problems will arise. but atleast it prevents people from doin the old "cancel and ride." I know a LOT of motorcyclists who live this way and it's stupid.

Problem with this as youre saying is the lag time from reporting to DMV. Datrabase allows you immediate notification...

Those Cheap-Ass motorcyclists shouldnt be riding... period. I remember being 21 and riding a GSXR-750 and paying outta my ass to do so... but I did, and I was glad I did. Most buy bikes they cant aford to insure so take a chance... but when some cager runs your ass over or sends you flying as a result of them yakkin on thier cell phone, youre hurt, its their fault but if youre not insured youre all fa-up!

[8overgixxer]

Oh I agree that a database would be beneficial. I was just talking about current legis that has been intro'd. I'd love to see a database, but I don't know if it's feasible. Atl east with the new system there would be a little more in the way of checks and balances occuring.

I too had a gix 750 and an r6 before that, didn't pay outta my ass, but I paid some serious bucks to ride. and it was all worth it when i hit that guard rail at 60 and landed in the hospital. Now I got my busa and I have full coverage on that as well.

[Rob]

The same applies for your approach... who's gonna take the lead and go get license plates off of violators cars?... where do the resources come from?.

Think about the database... every year upon renewing registration, if the insurance isnt current, your card is confiscated, right then. The only way to be reinstated is to get clearance from your insurance company. Failure to do that will result in flagging of the vehicles registration as a "no insurance vehicle" If it is stopped after the "grace period as allowed by law, then you lose the plates, the reg, and the vehicle is IMPOUNDED until you can provide proof of financial responsibility.

Harsh?... Damnned right... but it'll take 1 out of 4 or 5 cars off the road... reducing traffic, reducing stress, and making roads a safer place.

[Udrivecrap]

wouldn't that elimate the need for a "card" if the DMV knows you have insurance? so in the event of an accident, EVERYBODY knows who you are insured by..

[lois]

And lois, the thing you ignored is that i am putting forth an effort, you sit there and berate me while I'm actually trying to make a difference. Is that how you treated drew in the beginning too? You completely ignored the statement about my efforts (which YOU questioned) to bring up things that I'm way past. yes I was wrong about a few things in the past, but the more I discover, the less I can sympathize with the people from that office. There is a better way for it to be run.

There are ways to change it so that the government can better serve the people. Because when it's all said and done... isn't THAT what it's about.

i didn't ignore that...i am just waiting to see what you got.

and no, i didn't treat Drew like that because i saw from the start how he made an effort WITHOUT being a know-it-all, making disparaging remarks without not knowing what he was talking about to begin with. Drew did his research and THEN posted accordingly. and even when he went and got into an argument with my husband there...at least he had the balls to say something then and there.

learn... then go and talk shiet. that's all i'm saying.

[lois]

oh and at least you admitted you were wrong about all the crap you spewed on FH.

good.

[Rob]

wouldn't that elimate the need for a "card" if the DMV knows you have insurance? so in the event of an accident, EVERYBODY knows who you are insured by..

I said DMV... not HPD... but that could be done too... but a bit big-brotherish


Or... we go pay at the pump... which will suck for driving the Dually

[Udrivecrap]

paying at the pump would suck for me too...

if the DMV knows you have insurance so would HPD. i thought all the HPD cars have computers in them now. when i moved here almost two decades ago, california had computers in their police units while hawaii was still using the radio... that's why i bought a scanner and radar detector when i moved here :D

[8overgixxer]

The same applies for your approach... who's gonna take the lead and go get license plates off of violators cars?... where do the resources come from?.

Think about the database... every year upon renewing registration, if the insurance isnt current, your card is confiscated, right then. The only way to be reinstated is to get clearance from your insurance company. Failure to do that will result in flagging of the vehicles registration as a "no insurance vehicle" If it is stopped after the "grace period as allowed by law, then you lose the plates, the reg, and the vehicle is IMPOUNDED until you can provide proof of financial responsibility.

Harsh?... Damnned right... but it'll take 1 out of 4 or 5 cars off the road... reducing traffic, reducing stress, and making roads a safer place.

it wasn't my plan. It is leg that a friend of mine intro'd. iirc sheriff's will be responsible for reclaiming plates, but I haven't read the bill in a while so I may be wrong. I get the feeling (since he's been tryin this for years) that he's taking what he could get. His bill probably started off much harsher but was massaged by the leg over time. I'd love to see something so instant, but I think we are years from seeing something like that.

One major problem is that I don't think the DMV can legally confiscate your insurance card as they would then be acting as agents of the insurance agency. That would have to be a separate bill intro'd to enable DMV employees to do so. Not a hard thing to do, but I'm sure people will fight it.

We'll see, you have some good ideas, perhaps you should talk to a legislator as well.

[JLau]

Does anyone have the address to the inspection place? I can't find it anywhere. I'll call tomorrow but I figuredyou guys may have it.

[freeride]

IBTL (in before the lois) :)

[8overgixxer]

I don't have the actual address, but as you head up kapahulu you will come to the freeway overhead. Recon is directly underneath the freeway. I can't think of a better way to describe it.

good luck on your exam. ;)

[Udrivecrap]

i don't know where the place is... its like a private club or something.

[Rob]

it wasn't my plan. It is leg that a friend of mine intro'd. iirc sheriff's will be responsible for reclaiming plates, but I haven't read the bill in a while so I may be wrong. I get the feeling (since he's been tryin this for years) that he's taking what he could get. His bill probably started off much harsher but was massaged by the leg over time. I'd love to see something so instant, but I think we are years from seeing something like that.

One major problem is that I don't think the DMV can legally confiscate your insurance card as they would then be acting as agents of the insurance agency. That would have to be a separate bill intro'd to enable DMV employees to do so. Not a hard thing to do, but I'm sure people will fight it.

We'll see, you have some good ideas, perhaps you should talk to a legislator as well.

The problem is where do the resources come from to make this happen...?

Who pays for the extra time to run around chasing plates?

[8overgixxer]

I didnt write the bill, not sure what the thought process is there.

[Rob]

Then the whole point is moot... because all of these questions will be asked as part of the "process"

[lois]

Does anyone have the address to the inspection place? I can't find it anywhere. I'll call tomorrow but I figuredyou guys may have it.i think it's in the sticky up there^^^

1112 Kapahulu Ave

[JLau]

Thanks guys.

Good news and bad news.

The good.....

My car passed, got registration, Hawaii title and safety. All Legal baby!!!!

The bad....

My girls car which is mostly stock did not pass cause of just one thing. I never used the bracket that secures her aftermarket intake to the chassis. I totally forgot about it and we were worried so much about my car w/ all that I have done that we thought hers was a shoe in. My dumbass mistake, now we have to wait a whole month for the re-inspection. :awcrap: Now she has to roll illegally for a whole month.

I hope I can get in on a cancelation.

I have to add that yes, they did not seem as busy as I thought they'd be w/ the scheduling wait but the inspector was very helpful and I was very pleased w/ the office. I even got there late because I got lost but still got inspected on both cars.

Thanks for the help all.

[Rob]

Whoops...!...

Well... you should be OK for the month... but best not to take chances...

[8overgixxer]

congrats on the first car, bummer on the second car. Hopefully you can pull a cancellation appointment.

[8overgixxer]

Then the whole point is moot... because all of these questions will be asked as part of the "process"

hey look, like I said I didn't introduce this new insurance bill and I'm no expert on it. I offered up the info I had on hand, but I don't need the negative vibe from you for it.

[Rob]

hey look, like I said I didn't introduce this new insurance bill and I'm no expert on it. I offered up the info I had on hand, but I don't need the negative vibe from you for it.


I sense more negativity from you than I was trying to put forth...

The questions I asked would be asked as a legitimate part of the process, so you'd better have answers for the questions, because they will be asked.

Without the answers the point is indeed moot

[8overgixxer]

and like I said, i'm NOT involved in that bill, I just think it's a better system than the current one. I brought it up to show that someone out there is trying something different, yet similar to what you suggested. atleast it prevents people from driving for months while uninsured as is possible under the current system.

[Rob]

And I'll say it again: Unless those questions can be answered the point is moot and bill as written (or as you think it is written) will never pass through the legislature.

There is a lot of the process people THINK they know yet run into roadblocks when they try. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in an item you talked about. I dont care if it had your direct involvement or not. You brought it up, now either follow up or let it go.