Do people really get mad at me for lambasting Democrats?

[ChroniC588]

Are people getting that heated at my biased view towards Democrats?

[TheMayor]

Nope.

[Outsider]

It's America baby...say what you like.
Ainokea, Runemhahd...<< hahaha that's so retarded. :hihi:

[kombi731]

I think there are a couple ppl that might
but if they're really getting offended is it cause you're right about something and the know it but don't agree ??

[Shinigami052]

You can bash who ever you want. What pisses me off is that you are so close minded and I'm slowing losing the thinking of you that you're open minded.

[radopps]

Are people getting that heated at my biased view towards Democrats?

no...you are over the top though!!!

[TheMayor]

Being close minded is being unable to understand how the other person is feeling and responding in kind.

I'll give you a good example. I vote Republican. Always have since 1992. Why? Because I want to. I don't try to change peoples party affiliation. I feel it's something that should mean something to you.

Do I feel the war in Iraq was just: At first yes...now....its ran its course.

Just the other day a co-worker asked me who I was going to vote for. I said i'm giving the Republican party my support. Then they tried to convert me to vote for Obama.

So I asked: "So what are Obama's views on immigration?"
Them: (blank stare)
Me: "How about his position on Health care?"
Them: "Oh its going to be universal"
Me: "How"
Them: (blank stare)
Me: "So you want me to vote for Obama because he's a black educated well spoken guy?"
Them: "He has a plan for America"
Me: "What is it?"
Them: "So what's McCain all about"
Me: "I havent had much of a chance to read up on his views. But I didnt approach you and ask you to vote for McCain did I?"


^^True story. I work with 19 year olds. See Emily for reference and proof where I work on weekends.

I've had debates with friends and debates with morons. My friends and I don't come to conclusions, but I can understand where they are coming from. And yes, my mind has been changed a few times as I have changed their minds on a few topics.

Now the morons. The moron debate is more or less a one sided arguement. As much as I begin my talking points it always ends just the same way.

I can always tell their fustrated because the following statements always come out without ANY basis of fact.

"Bush is a fascist"
"Bush is a war criminal"
"The Republicans are crooks"

...blah blah blah.

Having a debate with a 21 year old is pointless.

If I talk about 9/11....they bring up conspiracy theories.
If I talk about the economy....they bring up some nonsense without fact.

Reference: http://hawaiitalks.net/showthread.php?t=25916

[ChroniC588]

ha ha...u had to bring that one up...where I didnt even the read the question the first time and just went off on a tangent?

thats so typical of me...:grin:

yeah I should cool it. People are so against Republicans nowadays...the way they make it sound they blame us for the war entirely 100% and that everything is our fault from the failing economy, housing market bust...

yup..it seems us Republicans cant do anything right.

I'm pretty sure 25 years from now when the Rail System is a fiasco they will pin the Republicans with the blame and say it was all their fault.

[Altivec]

Nope, no problemo here.

[TheMayor]

When something happens thats bad for the economy they blame whoever is sitting in the Whitehouse.

Here's how it looks from my perspective.

Vote for the woman who wants to president just to be president
Vote for the good looking black guy with very little experience
Vote for the old white guy who is short and unattractive

The Presidency is the worlds Hardest Job Interview. The majority of the country will decide if they're going to give you a four year contract.

[corytomo]

I don't really care that you hate the dems so much. I lean towards democrat, as does the majority of the middle class.
If you're informed, I don't mind your rants. Don't think that I'll believe everything, but it doesn't really bother me.

I don't blame the republicans for the war, I blame a few key people, one being Bush. If you want me to go into a dissertation why, I can do that too.

[radopps]

ha ha...u had to bring that one up...where I didnt even the read the question the first time and just went off on a tangent?

thats so typical of me...:grin:

yeah I should cool it. People are so against Republicans nowadays...the way they make it sound they blame us for the war entirely 100% and that everything is our fault from the failing economy, housing market bust...

yup..it seems us Republicans cant do anything right.

I'm pretty sure 25 years from now when the Rail System is a fiasco they will pin the Republicans with the blame and say it was all their fault.


no...i don't blame the Republicans for everything...only for about 90%!!!:wedgie: i joke...i ain't against a particular party...i just don't share a lot of the views of its party members...and the Rail System...it will probably fail since it should have been implemented in the early 90's at the very latest. it is just too late for something like that! the only way we can get through the traffic problem is to keep trying for roadways that connect more of the island!!! like not having only one way out of Ewa!!!:shakesfist: :shakesfist: :shakesfist:

[Devil Boy]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. No problem with me. If I don't like what I see or read, I just skim over it and move on.

I used to be an ultra religious conservative type but the elitist intolerant mentality always bothered me. I finally stopped acting like a sheep and started thinking for myself.

[ikeyballz]

^ thats the way it should be. im not very political but i guess the only reason why (chron) gunning for the dems is cuz i think its not the democratic party thats fdd up, its the president who runs for a dem.. or vice versa.. id rather be pro-president /anti-president than pro-party/anti-party, right now yes, i do believe the repub way was right.. but not ALWAYS..cuz people are not infalliable, and since repubs are people..they are not infalliable.

that bein said..i dont take offense to it, i dont label myself a repub, a dem, anything. i calls it like i sees it, i DONT vote, but its my choice. i dont believe any human will make a perfect ruler and i dont want to send in my vote on a un-perfect person. (i.e. anyone).

guess that makes me look apathetical, but im not, i do read the news..i do know whats going on, and i do worry.

just dont believe theres a clear cut solution is all.

[ChroniC588]

whats with all the middle path takers?

it seems alot of ppl think its safer to be not affiliated at all and honestly believe there is a third choice beyond the obvious two choices of the bulls horns.

There are no third choices...only Yes and No.

is there really a third choice, a middle path that people keep clinging to?

here's an example...

Yes/No Abortion
Yes/No War
Yes/No Taxes
Yes/No Education
Yes/No Illegal Immigrants
Yes/No Universal Healthcare

I'm sorry but the more we make politics into this gray area, the less things will get done. You either take a stance, or continue to sit in the wayside, in this middle ground where no decision is made.

I dont mean to be rude...but I see politics as only two sides...there are no third sides. The questions are simple, they are Yes/No. Sure you can go yes/no differently down the list, but you have to go Yes or No. You can't continue to go undecided.

I agree Republicans can be corrupt, idiots, stupid, pricks (Bush Jr is probably the best example of all the aforementioned)....just like everyone else. But they represent a side. And the answers they gave to those questions are why I side with them. Not with who the Republicans are...I dont care who they are. I just care if they will fulfill their promise of how they answered those questions.:biggrinbounce2:

And I'm sorry but the Democrats answered all those questions wrong for me...which is I why I dislike them.:pp:

[Shinigami052]

People are only in the gray area because the two parties CREATED a gray area.

Say (and this is NOT accurate) dem = no to all the topics you listed, repub = yes to all the topics but you are yes to half and no to the other half...what does that make you? THAT PUTS YOU IN THE GRAY AREA! People are not the ones in the gray area, it is the parties that outcast people and just don't fit with their ideas on every issue.

This bi-partician bullcrap is just ridiculous. Stop trying to make people chose a side. Politics, especially the bastardized version of democracy that we seem to practice in this country, should not be about choosing demo or repub it should be about what needs to be done. I think too much of the focus is placed on what side you're on as far as parties go over what you morals, ideas and values are.

[ArchangelX]

I agree...I'm neither dem, nor repub.

[corytomo]

Most people cannot be totally on one side or the other. My parents are hardcore dems, but there are still alot of dem views that they do not like.

If you asked me to choose, I choose dem. Even though - I hate gun control, I hate all these services for idiots who shouldn't be getting them anyway, and I say no to allowing all these services and crap for illegal immigrants.

Universal healthcare looks like it might be worse for the country, but if it can work right, it will help cut down on crooked drug companies, overpaid medical professionals, and save the poor (read - ME) people money for healthcare. Are you so rich that you think all the democrat programs will not help you at all? If so, I laugh.

[TheMayor]

Im a Republican. Thats my side and i'm sticking to it.

So Attention President elect. Remember that you work for me, I dont work for you. You better write that down.

[MLE]

I'm one of those who happens to be more or less in the middle...I guess that's why I registered as an Independent (isn't that a party, too? making it a third party?) Anyway, I find that I'm more or less in the middle because there are things from the Dem. side that I agree with and there are things with the Rep. side that I agree with...if that is the case, then what am I? A Democratic-Republican? Or a Republican-Democrat? There's no box for that choice, so I choose Independent. At least it describes me...an Independent thinker/person. LOL! really though...this is what makes a democracy work the way it does...because of the choices we have. There is just no way to make it a two choice democracy...strictly black and white...it just can't happen because people aren't wired to be only one or the other.

[Shinigami052]

I'm one of those who happens to be more or less in the middle...I guess that's why I registered as an Independent (isn't that a party, too? making it a third party?) Anyway, I find that I'm more or less in the middle because there are things from the Dem. side that I agree with and there are things with the Rep. side that I agree with...if that is the case, then what am I? A Democratic-Republican? Or a Republican-Democrat? There's no box for that choice, so I choose Independent. At least it describes me...an Independent thinker/person. LOL! really though...this is what makes a democracy work the way it does...because of the choices we have. There is just no way to make it a two choice democracy...strictly black and white...it just can't happen because people aren't wired to be only one or the other.

WORD! Thank you.

[Outsider]

Welcome to Hawaii Talks!

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Just something I found..

[corytomo]

I don't think that actually means we do not talk about politics, it was to get away from that "other" site that had too much internal politics and was very biased.

Maybe we should tone down the politics stuff though, that and religion always get people too riled up.

[radopps]

how about we not attack and instead debate!!!

[TheMayor]

how about we not attack and instead debate!!!

We should all sit down together and have a moderated debate. Im down for that as long as I can smoke my cigar.

[NasTee]

There is only 1 thing that I hate more than a Hippie. It's a yuppy who doesnt vote and who's excuse to vote is usually "I dont vote, my vote dont count anyways.. all politicians are crooks so why does it matter if you vote..."

Hawaii is riddled with yuppies with that attitude. Most of these yuppies say it with pride as if everyone that votes, is an idiot.

Well that yuppie needs to realise a few things:

1. His vote doesn't count because HE DIDN'T VOTE!!

2. Politicians are crooks because HE DIDN'T VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE!!

3. If the yuppies voted more and complained less, those who vote would not have to pick up the slack for them.

[ChroniC588]

People are only in the gray area because the two parties CREATED a gray area.

Say (and this is NOT accurate) dem = no to all the topics you listed, repub = yes to all the topics but you are yes to half and no to the other half...what does that make you? THAT PUTS YOU IN THE GRAY AREA! People are not the ones in the gray area, it is the parties that outcast people and just don't fit with their ideas on every issue.

This bi-partician bullcrap is just ridiculous. Stop trying to make people chose a side. Politics, especially the bastardized version of democracy that we seem to practice in this country, should not be about choosing demo or repub it should be about what needs to be done. I think too much of the focus is placed on what side you're on as far as parties go over what you morals, ideas and values are.

There is no gray area in politics. There is either Yes or No on issues.

The gray area you guys speak of is the indecision between going Dem or Republican...but that's not politics. That's just being undecided which party.

To continue to harbor this belief in a gray area is to harbor indecision. And indecision is the worse kind of situation in anything...because it means only one thing...delays, delays, delays.

Ask any woman...what pisses them off the most on a date? When the guy is indecisive and doesnt have the choice already made on where to eat, what movie to watch, etc...etc...

America is this hot chick who is very pissed off that her Democratic date is being indecisive and keeps stuttering...umm...ummm...would you like some ice cream? ummm...ummm...how about we go watch a movie, idk what movie...umm... She rather go home with the Republican.:smile2:

[Sgt_Ox]

I don't blame the republicans for the war, I blame a few key people, one being Bush. If you want me to go into a dissertation why, I can do that too.

So is the other few the larger half of Congress that was in favor too? Including Hilary?

I had just watched "The Final Report- the battle of Fallujah" on National Geographic and in it answered a lot of my questions that I had about that particular battle.

The media played it off as a defeat for the Marines when it was political threat that the interm Government would resign if they hadn't ordered a cease fire. The Marines never wanted to approach Fallujah the way they were ordered too. Then again Military concern is never taken into consideration when these other asshats make the order.

And when they were underway with the battle and the objective to take over they're given the order to stop and the Marines didn't want to have that.

Bottom line the people who know the region better than anyone here safe in the U.S. is our service members serving in the hazardous zone. And just like with Fallujah in how they disregarded the Marines objections, the people of America are showing the same in wanting them home now. Most Marines there want to finish their mission we don't give up to easy. And just with Fallujah the Marines waited for their return to finish the job which they succeeded once they were in the clear. The move to bring troops home now is demoralizing to those serving there especially when they haven't completed their tasks.

[Outsider]

I don't think that actually means we do not talk about politics, it was to get away from that "other" site that had too much internal politics and was very biased.

Maybe we should tone down the politics stuff though, that and religion always get people too riled up.

Actually that "politically-free" can be viewed a few different ways...

1. free to voice your opinions/views on politics
2. no political discussion what-so-ever.
3. mods will not play "favorites" (politics)
4. or ?

[radopps]

So is the other few the larger half of Congress that was in favor too? Including Hilary?

I had just watched "The Final Report- the battle of Fallujah" on National Geographic and in it answered a lot of my questions that I had about that particular battle.

The media played it off as a defeat for the Marines when it was political threat that the interm Government would resign if they hadn't ordered a cease fire. The Marines never wanted to approach Fallujah the way they were ordered too. Then again Military concern is never taken into consideration when these other asshats make the order.

And when they were underway with the battle and the objective to take over they're given the order to stop and the Marines didn't want to have that.

Bottom line the people who know the region better than anyone here safe in the U.S. is our service members serving in the hazardous zone. And just like with Fallujah in how they disregarded the Marines objections, the people of America are showing the same in wanting them home now. Most Marines there want to finish their mission we don't give up to easy. And just with Fallujah the Marines waited for their return to finish the job which they succeeded once they were in the clear. The move to bring troops home now is demoralizing to those serving there especially when they haven't completed their tasks.


i watched the same show too last night...it is sad to think that the media allows politicians to get in the way of the truth...granted I did see some members of the media ask why the Marines were not consulted with before the attempt to capture the city...but then again...how can the politicians care if people aren't voting to put someone else in!!!:freakout: