TURBO TIMER?? HI-50 please help.........

[ultraspec-v]

I got pulled over on the 1st of this month and the cop told me to turn the car off so i took my key out and my turbo timer was counting down. i showed the officer my keys and told him that it was on a timer, he then took my keys out of my hand and put it on my roof of my car:insane: and wrote on my ticket that my car was on a timer and could not be shut off.

My question is: is a turbo time illegal? and was it wrong for the cop to take my keys and toss them on the roof of my car?

[lois]

what was the citation you got?

[ultraspec-v]

what was the citation you got?


i got three tickets all at one stop, it was two motorcycle cops that pulled me over and i was stopped at a red light when they first got behind me and i heard them talkin to each other about getting me for my exhaust.......

first ticket:
286.85 no recon $70
291.24.5 loud muffler $72
officer's observations:
modified suspension veh
dropped / fron / rear tires
tucked into fender
loud after market muffler

second ticket:
249.7 wo front lic $70
286.26 placement of safety $70
oficer's observations:
front lic plate on dash
(below he drew a pic of my plate, not a good artist)

third ticket:
sumons for court date on the first of april
286.22 unsafe condition veh
officer statement:
veh ign. on timer could not be turned of (<----- only one F)
veh dropped. carbon fiber hood/trunk


he was quite rude also, the only thing he said when he first came to the window was:

turn the car off(then took my keys and tossed them on my roof(recently new paint job))
licence and reg

then asked: do you know about the recon laws here?

i told him: no not really.

then he went back to his bike and took about 12 or so mins to write the tickets
(i only know this b/c my turbo timer was at about 9 and a half mins)
and when i asked him what the tickets are for he read them to me like i couldnt read and when i asked him about one of the tickets he got mad. then when i still insisted to know what the tickets were for he asked if i am going to sign the tickets or not b/c he can down my car right now.

any help you can offer would be really great, thanks.

[ultraspec-v]

The owner shall securely fasten the number plates on the vehicle, one on the front and the other on the rear, at a location provided by the manufacturer or in the absence of such a location upon the bumpers of the vehicle and in conformance with section 291-31, in such a manner as to prevent the plates from swinging. Number plates shall at all times be displayed entirely unobscured and be kept reasonably clean. In the case of trailers, semitrailers, or motorcycles, one plate shall be used and it shall be fastened to the rear thereof at a location provided by the manufacturer or in the absence of such a location at the rear thereof, and in the case of motorcycles in conformance with section 291-31.

i have an aftermarket front bumper on my car and it doesnt have a place to mount the plate so i put it on my dash so it was visible, not sure if according to this it would be ok.

[lois]

your front license is NOT a legal place to put the plate

you need recon, call them to make an appointment, waiting time is about a month on average. call them asap and make appointment. in the mean time, list the stuff done to your car so we can help you on what you need to do to make it recon-legal (that is, IF you want recon...if you don't want recon then be prepared to pay a lot of tickets).

if you make your car recon-legal, there is a POSSIBILITY the judge may see that you made an attempt to fix what you were cited for, and reduce your fine or throw it out altogether.

as for the turbo timer, that's weird...i thought most cars w turbo had that timer. is it an OEM turbo unit? what kind of car do you have?

[idiosyncratic]

your front license is NOT a legal place to put the plate

:tired: lois wrote this too early in the morn...:weirdo:

she probably meant

your front dash is NOT a legal place to put the (license) plate.

[lois]

ahahahah

i need more coffee :hihi:

your front dash is not a legal place to place the plate.

it must be securely mounted to the front bumper.

[Rob]

*sends lois coffee*

[ikeyballz]

weird. the other stuff youre prolly gonna have to pay for..unless you get a good judge..

my suggestion is go get recon, go mount front plates, and take pictures...and then go to the judge/write to the judge say you didnt know, you took the right steps, and ask to get let off (one time deal tho...) it worked for me w. only front plates. although mine wasnt modified, it was stock like that from mainland. then, since you got em all on your car..might as well leave it there?

as for turbo timer, ive never heard of anyone getting a ticket for that, but whiel youre there, you might as well explain to the judge what it is/etc. i dont think turbo timers are stock on most cars...? correct me if im wrong, someone w. a turbo'd car?
i know the WRX doesnt come with one..aftermarket add on, right?

and if you have a specV sentra, garens its aftermarket...

[freeride]

his sentra is one BMF!

[Ronin]

you should know that even if you have a turbo on your car, the only time you actually need to let the car idle is if you were pounding it around minutes before you decide to turn off the car.

Aside from that, you can just turn the car off right away if you're just driving normally. When I get pulled over, I usually turn off the car from the timer. That way, the cops don't go asking me questions that could lead them to believe that my car is modified beyond what is legal. When you tell them that you have a timer for your "turbo", they automatically assume that you have an illegally modified vehicle.

The cop probably thought that since you had a timer, your car was probably illegally modified and wrote all of those tickets with that belief in mind. Rude or not, don't give them more reasons to write you up on the modifications done to your car.

[1badsrt4]

my turbo timer i can just cut off. as far as ur cf hood, thats what he got you for unsafe vehicle. you gots to be careful with cops out here. they tried writin me tickets for my exhaust, rims and body kit(even though its stock).

[Jesse S.]

9 and a half mins? Why is your timer on so long? And yes there is a button on your timer to shut it off immediately.

Everything else is not questionable and the saying goes, Gotta pay to play.

[JLau]

Sounds like your car is one of the many I shook my head at while waiting to get recon because you probably rock a safety check that I could not get coming from the mainland modified. All are valid tickets and I am pretty sure that it is legal for him to place your keys on your roof seeing as your car could not be shut off at will.

I suggest the same as everyone else. Fix all your violations and schedule to get recon before your court date. If you do, you could get off. If not, I hope you have the cash.

There are many brackets like the safety/recon ones for license plates...

http://passwordjdm.com/images/Products/1868L.jpg

[8overgixxer]

if you are unable to obtain a recon inspection before your court date, go to court and either (a) ask for a continuance stating that you have not completed the reconstruction of said vehicle. or (B) bring in a TON of evidence showing that you have attempted to comply (pictures, receipts etc....) and state that you were unable to complete the inspection prior to your court date due to the backup at the recon office. For either of these two reasons they should offer a continuance of about 30 days. Hopefully by then you are legal and you can head in to court and deal with it from there.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES STATE THAT YOU HAVE CONTINUED TO OPERATE THE VEHICLE. That will be an automatic do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Regarding the plates, you can claim that the bracket broke and you had to order another one. They might let you go on that provided that you show that you have purchased a new one and installed it.

good luck, glad I'm not in your shoes.

[xurusaibobx]

brackets are somewhat illegal as well because doesnt the law stay plates must be mounted in factory location? cant say it didnt come with one from the factory or else it would of never been allow to be sold here in hawaii... there must be a oem mount for the front plates. heck the c6 corvette has a front mount bracket and thats only held in with 3 double stick tape circles! lol but its pretty darn strong unless u go there and rip it off pretty darn good

carbon fiber hood - i thought it was legal so long it used OEM LATCHES and mounting points as well as it doesnt say for offroad use only

exhaust volume- thats up to the officer to determine if its loud or not...loud 2am could be different from 2pm loud with other traffic... thats why the law is so stupid

[JLau]

brackets are somewhat illegal as well because doesnt the law stay plates must be mounted in factory location? cant say it didnt come with one from the factory or else it would of never been allow to be sold here in hawaii


You could mount it in a factory location, the middle of the bumper. Does Hawaii not deal Dodge Charger SRT8's? A co-worker of mine had one and it does not have a factory mount so he bought a bracket so as not to drill holes in the bumper.

[Rob]

You could mount it in a factory location, the middle of the bumper. Does Hawaii not deal Dodge Charger SRT8's? A co-worker of mine had one and it does not have a factory mount so he bought a bracket so as not to drill holes in the bumper.

EVERY vehicle manufactured for sale in all 50 states must be 50 state compliant.

Meaning all vehicles HAVE an available mount for the front plate. Not all have them installed based on what state they are sold new in. Vehicles ordered new here have the front plate provision.

[JLau]

EVERY vehicle manufactured for sale in all 50 states must be 50 state compliant.

Meaning all vehicles HAVE an available mount for the front plate. Not all have them installed based on what state they are sold new in. Vehicles ordered new here have the front plate provision.


WA state has a front plate requirement and SRT8's are not sold w/ the available mount. I also saw 2 SRT8's here today and no front plate mounts w/ the plates illegally placed on the dash. I assume you mean "available for purchase" seperate from the purchase of the car and I agree that the dealers should offer such a mount but I know for a fact that they do not come standard. They SHOULD be required for dealers to sell the car but for some reason are not here and in many other states where front plates are required.

Back to the original plate statement I made. How could using an aftermarket bracket placed in a factory position, the center of the bumper from top to bottom and left to right, be illegal here? Does that not cover the state requirement?

[ikeyballz]

^i think they (the customers) specifically asked the dealer to not mount the bracket, or the dealer is slacking off (illegal!) the only way i got my car without a front bracket was that it was shipped down from a state where front plates were not required...

the funniest one ive seen was where a bumper had holes for the plate...but the guy took the plate off and stuck it in his dash.

WTF? looks better with the plate covering the holes.. lol x_x;

yeah, i got scolded for no plates too. it sucked. but the judge let me off. (after i proved with pictures that i got a bracket right after my ticket.)

[Rob]

WA state has a front plate requirement and SRT8's are not sold w/ the available mount. I also saw 2 SRT8's here today and no front plate mounts w/ the plates illegally placed on the dash. I assume you mean "available for purchase" seperate from the purchase of the car and I agree that the dealers should offer such a mount but I know for a fact that they do not come standard. They SHOULD be required for dealers to sell the car but for some reason are not here and in many other states where front plates are required.

Back to the original plate statement I made. How could using an aftermarket bracket placed in a factory position, the center of the bumper from top to bottom and left to right, be illegal here? Does that not cover the state requirement?

Correct... if you look at an order form, front plate brackets are a no-cost option (factory) yet cost you if you order over the counter. The dealers dont HAVE to order them that way, but people buying high end cars dont give a rats ass about the front plate legality ANYWAY... (until they get ticketed enough times to hurt)

I saw an SRT-8 Charger at Cutter Waipahu WITH the front plate mount... so yes, they do come that way...

Now.. to answer your question:

If the plate is monted in a fashion similar to the OE mounting, I dont think you'll have any issues...

My dually has a smoothie front bumper... looked kinda neat... sand clean w/o the front plate... but... I installed an OE bracket (2 screws) so big deal...

If I wanna play with fire I can... but I'm too freaking lazy... its on there, so its gonna stay on there.

[Rob]

As far as turbo timers go... yes, you can turn the motor off immediately if you need to... and WTF is up with 9.5 minutes?

[JLau]

Now.. to answer your question:

If the plate is monted in a fashion similar to the OE mounting, I dont think you'll have any issues...

My dually has a smoothie front bumper... looked kinda neat... sand clean w/o the front plate... but... I installed an OE bracket (2 screws) so big deal...

If I wanna play with fire I can... but I'm too freaking lazy... its on there, so its gonna stay on there.

I was just wondering why would a bracket designed to mount your plate to your bumper would be automatically assumed illegal? Because it's an aftermarket? It seems like anything afternarket suggested here gets an illegal stamp on it automatically. This bracket is nice because the holes drilled to mount it are not visible.

Does anyone actually know what the state requirement is verbatim? There can be so many loop holes based on wording alone. Factory location could mean many things. Evo's license plate mounts are offset to accomidate for better airflow over the intercooler which is what relocators are made to do, better flow over half radiators. Still mounted on the front bumper and not tilted to obstruct view which is why Evo locations are legal. How could it be legal for one and not the other? Based on what?

Just wondering. I could care less. I use an OEM mounting point and I have Recon...:woowoo:

[xurusaibobx]

evos come from the factory like that...

whats not allowed it if you get a shaved bumper/ body kit and you dont want to drill holes into ( now days almost every bumper is plastic and its cheaper for the company to just drill it into the bumper). you just make your own modification and attach it somehow to the bumper or not even at all. the word modify is the key word.hawaii is just like that? just like how back in the days low rider trucks would "french" the rear license plates into the tail gate thats illegal as well.

somewhere i read the law didnt state anything about the plates being place correctly readable left to right in other words you could flip it over and have it read upside down.. idk if that someone joking around or if it was true... but most likely u get pulled over for being a smart a$$

[lois]

front license plate--securely mounted to front bumper

[Rob]

There have been a number of cars with offset plates... for none other than cosmetics...

Realistically (Not legally) it shouldnt matter... plate mounted to the front of the vehicle... plate mounted in the rear... facing the right direction... who really cares?

[Rob]

front license plate--securely mounted to front bumper


Youre up late....:hilarious:

[lois]

we went to Incubus

[Rob]

I'm stuck at work...

little pussy-***** called in sick....

betcha he's sitting at Sunset beach right now waiting for the dawn patrol....

[JLau]

front license plate--securely mounted to front bumper

Thanks. I wasn't trying to attack the laws for the sake of illegal mounting or slapping it on your dash ghetto style. I was just trying to say that an aftermarket bracket should not in any way be illegal and I guess it is not. IMO as long as it is mounted on the front bumper in a visable manner and in no way to obstruct view it should be legal but that is just my opinion.

[ikeyballz]

^werd. i think what sucks is, its all in how the judge interperts the law.

[xurusaibobx]

since were on the same topic

do STis smell like there burning oil?