HAWAIITALKS!

Sure, they screwed over alot of the Transformers again with the lack of screen time, including Optimus...but I thought it was a pretty fun movie. Story was kinda weak but the explosions and action made up for it. It was what I've come to expect from Michael Bay.

Also, the twins didn't offend me in the slightest...I dunno what all the hub-bub is about.

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Did you like the first movie?

That would give me a frame of reference. Cause I couldn't watch the first one again. Saw it once in the theaters, thought it was crap. Popped in the DVD at my parent's house, and couldn't finish it.

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I thought the computer-generated stuff of the first one was good, but the story was crap. I'd watch the second one just for machines themselves.

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non stop action! my kind of movie.

No...I didn't like the first movie at all. I liked this one because Optimus was the badazz that he was supposed to be. Surprised me that they took the death route so soon, though. Sheesh. Really anti-climactic.

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Mindless doesn't mean thoughtless. I can enjoy a mindless movie, but my mind is never turned off, thus it will still pick up plot holes and inconsistencies which decrease my movie going experience. Hence, I will never see this movie in the theater (or any M.Bay movies) because I know there will be these:


Burning Questions: The 10 Most Confusing Things in 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'
by Matt McDaniel
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June 30, 2009

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" made over $200 million last week. What it didn't make, however, was one lick of sense.

Now, suspension of disbelief is usually not a problem for me. Tell me that a billionaire could put on a bat suit and swoop around fighting crime and I'll buy it. Or that a different billionaire could build flying armor in his basement. Or that in the future people will beam onto spaceships with their pointy-eared best friend. I'll accept all of it. I'll even take your word for it that a mechanized alien race can come to our planet, scan some cars, and turn themselves into vehicles.

That being said, there were moments in this new "Transformers" movie that were so confusing, so contradictory, or so corny that they completely took me out of the movie. Even days after watching it, some new inconsistency or plot hole would pop into my mind.

I can hear it already: "It's a popcorn movie. It's based on a bunch of toys. It's just supposed to be fun." And yes, all of those things are true. But that doesn't mean I can't ask questions about what in the world was going on. Here are the ten that I most want answered. (WARNING: contains spoilers).

1. In "Transformers," there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles -- excuse me, Mission City -- that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage? Also, didn't Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by "a technological civilization far superior to our own"? How did they spin that?

Shia LaBeouf 2. There are two pieces of the Allspark cube left: the military has one under lock and key, and Sam discovers another. The Decepticons steal one and bring Megatron back to life. But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus, he has to find the Matrix of Leadership on the other side of the globe. Why not use the other piece? Mikaela (Megan Fox) has it in her backpack the whole time. It brought his kitchen appliances to life, why can't it do the same for Optimus?

3. Speaking of Megatron's rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little "Doctor" robot popped out down there, but he's about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar?

Shia LaBeouf 4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor's German accent -- and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents -- why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn't he just get his eyes adjusted? You'd think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure.

5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him. And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn't it fixed at the end of the last movie?

Megan Fox 6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids? And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead? And if the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the originals just gang up on him back in the day? And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen?

7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)?

Megan Fox 8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, with few paved roads and the Israeli border between them, so how can they drive from one to the other in a couple of hours. And the Pyramids are said to be shooting distance from the Mediterranean, but they are actually well over 80 miles inland. Even if the Navy ship had a secret rail gun, and even if the captain would take an order to fire from a former agent of a government branch that no longer exists (over a walkie-talkie that inexplicably starts working again), how could it hit a moving target from that distance?

9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?!

Megan Fox 10. Where does Sam's bandage come from? What about his extra sock? Why does Sam's roommate not contribute anything at all? What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice? How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg? Why do we have to see John Turturro's thong? Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time? Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them? Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it? Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen's hand than in Sam's? And how do Mikaela's pants stay so clean?

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some shit didnt make sense. a lot of holes in the story. at first i thought the movie was great. then after thinking about it for a while, the movie was kinda a dissapointment.

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hahahahaha, you guys read into the cartoon too much. or even the comic book. i mean all in all it was a good movie. maybe im not an avid transformer fan. but to me it made sense and was a good movie. much better then the first one. i think this time around, the movie took more of a stupid comedy approach. if anything take it as a movie all in it's self and not following anything. if i really wanted too, i could answer all ten of those questions. but it would take to long. so for what it's worth, go watch it, not for a story line, but more for the laughs and cool cgi. oh and don't read to deep into it. your brain might explode.

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is it appropriate for small kids?

some of my friends were saying it's not for kids...too much swearing and "adult situations". now the swearing part i ain't super-concerned about (they probably hear worse shit from me) but what exactly are they talking about with the "adult" shit?

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It has nothing to do with being a fan for the cartoon or anything. Its just having higher standards for my money. I really have no problem with simplistic movies, but since there is no such thing as a "mindless" movie (unless you show up at the theater leaving your brain behind) then I expect the movie to at least cover up some of the major holes. (My brain doesn't just shut off at any time) If not, movie makers will just keep making movies with lots of special effects, explosions, and stories that don't make sense. I see it as supporting the "dumbing" down of the movie going audience. For me, a fun action oriented mindless movie would be more along the lines of Star Trek. Which did have plot holes, at least they were small and JJ tried to reduce them so that an Airbus jet couldn't fit through them.

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I went expecting spectacular special effects and a lame story. The special effects were better than I expected and the story was lamer than I expected.


Did you see them launching F16s off aircraft carriers? I turned to my wife and said "They don't have F16s on carriers -- that's so bullsh*t!" To which she answered "..and the gigantic transforming alien robots is not bullsh*t?" I had to LOL at that one.

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Hahaha...so true...hah.

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so...inappropriate for kids?

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I'd say so, but for the dirty details, read the kids-in-mind review:

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen [2009] [PG-13] - 6.7.5

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wow that's a LOT of shit going on...thanks Ken.

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Oops, I actually meant to say I thought it'd be fine for kids. The first one had that scene where Sam's mother thought Sam was masturbating in his room. I think it had every little kid asking his parent: "Mom/Dad, what is 'masturbating'?" I don't remember anything like that in this one.

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you sure? FORGET what you know about me, Ken, i kinda don't want my kids to turn out like me

reading that synopsis made me think all the movie is about, is sex. an 8 yr old and a 5 yr old don't need to see that kind of stuff.

plus i hear the movie is 2 hours ++ and there's no way Rolly's gonna sit thru that.

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Well, those kids-in-mind reviews are pretty detailed. You should read a review of a movie you already saw to get an idea of how detailed they are.

I'm not a parent, so take this with as many grains of salt as you want.... I don't think an 8-year-old will necessarily understand the sexual nature of what's going on. If a scantily-clad girl pushes a guy down on a bed, climbs on top of him and tries to kiss him, is the kid really going to understand what they have in mind if the scene never goes past that? What if he watches 2 dogs humping? Is that ok? What about a little robot humping a girl's leg like a dog? I think that's about as bad as it got sexually, and I don't think any of it will entice your kids to ask you awkward questions like the first one.

Violence wise, there's no blood and gore, but a lot of people get killed. You see intact bodies flying through the air as stuff explodes. There's a LOT of graphic robot-on-robot violence, though.

The movie is like 2.5 hours long. It's REALLY long.

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Wow...after reading that list...I'm really amazed by all of the mis-steps and plot holes. WTF? You don't think about it at first, because you're just watching all the boom and bombs going off everywhere...but I bet after watching a few more times, the magic will wear off a bit I imagine.

They really need to work on their script-writers.

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maybe the script writers were (still) on strike? j/k

idio would watch the movie. he loves sci-fi pretend stuff.

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Haven't seen the movie yet, but I do know that Megan Fox looks so post-op-ish it ain't funny. She IS a transformer.

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Ugh. Amazing what the cameras and photoshop can do.

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I'll eventually watch it. It's not on my priority list of movies to watch though.

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Just watched it. I liked it. Some of the story line comes from the cartoon movie and what not, and some had relation to the first movie or anything at all. Even some of the transformers themselves aren't from the original cartoon series, and some not even from the cartoon movie.

All in all, I'd watch it again.

my gf put it well. she said it was like the writers/Bay had some late ideas that they needed to be included. then they decided to just throw it in there without an actual reason for it!!!

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