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Old 07-15-2009, 09:20 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Does tormenting a bear cub seem that bad now?
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I guess if it was from NK they probably would end up blowing up the bear cub in the end lol
The bear cub insulted Dear Leader.
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Old 07-15-2009, 09:23 PM   #27 (permalink)
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you can say all you want about culture differences but thats still f@cked up sh!t. its not even a valid experiment where would a lion A LION meet a bear in the wild now days... nowhere. theres no place on earth that they would cohabit NOWHERE
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you can say all you want about culture differences but thats still f@cked up sh!t. its not even a valid experiment where would a lion A LION meet a bear in the wild now days... nowhere. theres no place on earth that they would cohabit NOWHERE
Didn't stop Discovery Channel from doing that stupid Animal Killing Comparison thing, or Spike from doing that Deadliest Warrior Show.
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Old 07-15-2009, 09:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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hey our culture is fukked up too, where else would Jerry Springer be a valid show and Paris Hilton be a celebutante? only in this ass-backward nation.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:36 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Koreans aren't from the U.S. Keep in mind that there maybe cultural differences...Other cultures do other things that may not be agreeable to Western thought and belief. I sometimes wonder about the single/narrow-mindness of people who need to promote this type of difference. What is the purpose? Read some of the comments and the hate it seems to advocate.

Seriously think about every culture and/or ethnicity you have encounter on this melting pot of a State. Think about the friends, family and others you have met through out the years here or if you have traveled as I have. Think.
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I think that anytime anyone takes animals, and does things such as what we saw, for AMUSEMENT, it's poor stewardship of God's creatures.


Here on Molokai, I got to watch goats, pigs, and deer get slaughtered. Literally. Screaming, blood, the whole deal. It's agonizing to hear. And it's CULTURALLY RELEVANT.

But these people are not happy, they're not laughing or getting their jollies (at least the ones I met weren't...some I hear enjoy it)...but they need to bleed out an animal for cooking purposes, to FEED people. I haven't seen it here but I understand that dogs are not exempt from food on some HAWAIIAN people's menus (not just the Filipinos, although we joke about that). The animal is killed, butchered, then processed for cooking and serving.

Pig dog hunting is similar. It appears cruel (since a "defenseless" piggy is being attacked by dogs), but it is a method, with a very set way of tracking, immobilizing, then allowing the "kill" to be made, all with dogs as the implement for hunting...and pig dogs are (usually) VERY WELL kept and pampered so they are loyal to their masters. Again, it's all to FEED people, as well as cull an invasive species and very destructive animal to forests and preserve areas.

To me that Korean malarkey is no different than an American circus with lions, tigers, and elephants doing unnatural things for our amusement. I wonder how many people remember Tyke the elephant. I remember because I was working in the veterinary clinic that day when HPD came and asked how much Beuthanasia (the animal euthanasia drug) we had in stock...we didn't have enough...that was a scary day... push an animal far enough, and instincts will kick in.



It would be very interesting to see this show in a context with ADULT animals. No, it wouldn't be entertaining to see the lions AND bear turn on the handlers.
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I can honestly say I was indifferent when I first the saw video. Then amused that anyone would actually think the situation was entertaining. Unless you understand Korean, not everyone was "unsympathetic" to the bear. Sometimes, I think we just see what we want to see. It's an unusual situation, but I don't think the cub was in any danger.

I am of Korean descent and I am not going to lie. Perhaps I'm biased, perhaps I'm not. I don't think I am....But I've lived on this Island long enough -- have traveled to Asia, all over the US, S. America and a little of Europe to think before reacting. Grew up in Kalihi, with friends of all races and ethnicities. Broke bread with them.

Lois, I find it a bit insulting when you cite the examples you have. My concern was the comments made by the people in the blog. Some seem to have a preconceived notion about Koreans and used this as justification of their beliefs.

I'm not sure why someone who is not openly affectionate - makes you apathetic. I personally don't show affection to my mother or sisters...just hard to explain. But if they ever needed me -- I've always been there. Don't assume the lack of overt affection mean there is no love or caring. I suppose it's a fairly Asian trait -- much more pronounced when Western influence is lacking.

Anyway I have a lot more to say in response to others who have made comments, but sometimes it's best to say nothing.

I have my 1-year niece in my home for 3 whole days in row. I'll go back to playing with her....damn, they're so adorable at this age.
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I can honestly say I was indifferent when I first the saw video. Then amused that anyone would actually think the situation was entertaining. Unless you understand Korean, not everyone was "unsympathetic" to the bear. Sometimes, I think we just see what we want to see. It's an unusual situation, but I don't think the cub was in any danger.

I am of Korean descent and I am not going to lie. Perhaps I'm biased, perhaps I'm not. I don't think I am....But I've lived on this Island long enough -- have traveled to Asia, all over the US, S. America and a little of Europe to think before reacting. Grew up in Kalihi, with friends of all races and ethnicities. Broke bread with them.

Lois, I find it a bit insulting when you cite the examples you have. My concern was the comments made by the people in the blog. Some seem to have a preconceived notion about Koreans and used this as justification of their beliefs.

I'm not sure why someone who is not openly affectionate - makes you apathetic. I personally don't show affection to my mother or sisters...just hard to explain. But if they ever needed me -- I've always been there. Don't assume the lack of overt affection mean there is no love or caring. I suppose it's a fairly Asian trait -- much more pronounced when Western influence is lacking.

Anyway I have a lot more to say in response to others who have made comments, but sometimes it's best to say nothing.

I have my 1-year niece in my home for 3 whole days in row. I'll go back to playing with her....damn, they're so adorable at this age.

i don't know where i said not openly affectionate = apathetic?

what you said yourself, hit the nail on the head

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this is what i was trying to convey

i'm sorry if you are insulted but as i re-read some of it i know i wasn't getting what i wanted across (if you noted the time of posts). it's kind of what you said. if they said this kind of stuff about Japanese, Vietnamese, etc, i would agree as well. it's simply an Asian trait. hell i know Japanese people who HATED their visit to Japan (cold rude jerks).
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also you know what i'm thinking...it's simply a "Mama Bear" reaction, literally. in the wild, a bear cub threatened like that would definitely be protected by its mama. i felt very protective of the cub as an instinctual reaction, as i've noted most of the others who felt the same as i did, are parents...make sense?
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My first reaction: poor baby bear

Towards the end of the video clip: There's something clearly wrong with this baby bear who is jumpy at the sight of a shadow on the ground and is scared of a monkey in which he/she is clear larger than.

After reading the comments: Baby bear does not have a mama bear, so makes sense as to their type of approach. Effective maybe not but then again maybe there's something that we don't know more of.
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also you know what i'm thinking...it's simply a "Mama Bear" reaction, literally. in the wild, a bear cub threatened like that would definitely be protected by its mama. i felt very protective of the cub as an instinctual reaction, as i've noted most of the others who felt the same as i did, are parents...make sense?

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even though Ive been a parent for less than 3 months so far...I still feel that "maternal instinct" for pretty much EVERYTHING...and my feelings about/towards things are different from before...
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It would be very interesting to see this show in a context with ADULT animals. No, it wouldn't be entertaining to see the lions AND bear turn on the handlers.
sad to say but they did do this with adult animals, but i dont think it was the same show
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That's mean what they did to the bear cub...but that didn't stop me from laughing a little bit watching the clip.


...damn Koreans...(*smh*)
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